IDF stellt fest, dass palästinensische Bewaffnete und nicht israelische Streitkräfte hinter den Todesfällen in Gaza-Hilfskonvois stecken

by DroneMaster2000

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  1. >The IDF on Friday denied allegations by Hamas that Israeli forces had fired on civilians awaiting aid in Gaza City, saying that soldiers had not used their weapons at any stage of the incident and pointed to Palestinian gunmen as the cause of the casualties.

    >The incident took place late on Thursday after the military allowed 31 aid trucks to pass into the Gaza Strip heading toward Gaza City in the territory’s north. According to unverified Palestinian reports, at least 40 people waiting for the convoy have been killed in the incident.

    >Gaza’s Hamas-controlled health ministry reported at least 21 dead and over 100 injured in the incident.
    According to the IDF, Palestinian gunmen, who had arrived at the site earlier, opened fire on the crowd that approached the convoy, aiming to prevent them from looting and gathering near the trucks, resulting in fatalities.

  2. yeah im gonna go ahead and say that when it comes to shit like this, i need outside verification

  3. Remember: “innocent until proven guilty” is outdated!

    Nowadays it’s “guilty until proven innocent”

    And if you’re accusing Jews: “guilty until guilty”

    UPD: Just so you know what Hamas is acuising IDF of:

    >The Hamas-run health ministry in the Gaza Strip accused Israeli troops of opening fire from **“tanks and helicopters”** at the civilians gathered at Kuwait Square late Thursday, killing 21 people and wounding more than 150 others.

    Yeah, **several tanks and helicopters** went to a one of the dozens trucks just to kill people for “reasons”.

    And conveniently, **there is no videos, or even photos** of those “tanks and helicopters”.

    So to summarise the verdict:

    Obviously it’s Jews. Hamas, known to steal aid and massacre people, would never massacre people to steal aid

    UPD2:

    And now there is also a video with evidence backing IDF’s claims:

    [IDF releases video of armed Palestinian shooting at Gazans while waiting for aid](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-792075)

    UPD3:

    I also want to remind you that, just like with the Hospital, the only source on “killing 21 people and wounding more than 150 others” is Hamas, so the real number can go from zero to hundreds.

  4. I honestly am having a hard time believing either one of them

  7. IDF – as in “Israel Defense Forces” – as in the military force being accused of the crime at hand?

  9. I have to admit I find that a little bit hard to believe, especially when it’s “IDF finds”.

  10. Problem is that the IDF and Hamas are both unreliable sources of information, since both have a very strong motive and history of lying in regards to tragedies.

    This is why having 3rd party sources are needed for any form of verification during war times, including the Ukraine War.

  12. We’ve investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong.

  13. It’s not too surprising. The whole idea of the convoy was the IDFs. They were working with some Gaza businessmen to get food to the people in Gaza city. Their job was to protect the convoy. Why would they fire on civilians? It makes sense that Hamas opened fire to try and prevent the food from getting to the people.

  14. The way people take Hamas, a terrorist organization infamous for lying, at face value, but take everything the IDF says as lies needing to be proven despite having a track record of honestly self-reporting failed or mishandled operations — see how IDF handled reporting their own mistake of killing 3 hostages.

  17. That might be true. But it’s not like I can take the IDFs word for it lol. That’s why its important to keep independent journalists safe during war.

  18. “IDF Investigates itself and finds they did nothing wrong”

  20. Really? The IDF found that. Well, I’m convinced.

  23. Everyone is missing this. The headline is referring to an incident that occurred yesterday night, not last month. Of course, can’t blame you for not knowing, the media makes sure that only in scenarios where Israel can *potentially* be blamed in some way will you know about events in Gaza. Although I guess I can blame you all for not reading the article beyond the headline.

    This is an open and shut case of Gaza gunmen killing civilians last night, and no one will ever know about it.

  24. We investigated ourselves and found ourselves guilty of no wrong doing. Now I understand where American police get it from

  25. What it the frequency with which any organization investigates itself for violent crime and does not clear itself?

  26. As much as I’d like for this to be true, this seems highly dubious coming from the IDF when they’ve been getting so much blame for it themselves.

  27. Can we get someone to investigate who’s not Hamas and not the IDF? My trust in either of them isn’t exactly at the highest level right now.

  28. Without prove this sounds a lot like “we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing”

  30. “We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.”

  31. Nah if the IDF said this then I’m a need some serious proof because right now it sounds like they are making up excuses to justify killing off the last of the Palestinians.

  32. Nah if the IDF said this then I’m a need some serious proof because right now it sounds like they are making up excuses to justify killing off the last of the Palestinians.

  34. Welp! This side says on the thing, that side says another thing! I guess they morally equal!

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