Can’t really blame them can you. Crap pay, for crap work, during crap hours, and you routinely have to put yourself in direct physical danger.
I understand all the government failings through greed and gaslighting, filling their pockets while children starve,etc, the usual.
What I don’t understand is why they’ve defunded and ruined the police. Surely they need the police to keep them safe from us once we all wake up.
I’d have thought they would put money into the police and army, if nothing else. Why have they let it collapse when they might need it too?
Watching the end credits of any police show is enough to put me off doing the job.
All that danger for £21,402, rising to £41,130 at the top of the scale a year.
proof it’s a joke service yeah ?
Well, the tories have ruined/decimated/destroyed every other profession and industry so why should the police be any different?
Tory mantra.
Take public service
Underfund and understaff it
Lay blame for things not being done properly anymore
Privatise it with friends businesses using tax payers money.
Same is happening in the armed forces, when a government (and the same will be under Labour, probably worse) cares more about the welfare of the criminal / enemy – you have a serious problem.
Government makes police take over the top action against peaceful protesters, peaceful protesters start hating the police, Government shouts at police for not doing even more wildly illegal repression. What officer who actually wants to help the community would stick around?
It’s a tough job for crap pay, coupled with everyone hating you.
When you dial 999 you are relieved when the fire or ambulance show up. No one is happy to see the police.
The British media have a very large part to play on this, certain sections of it, especially the BBC have conducted what can only be described as a persistent smear campaign against the police for years now.
Any opportunity to bash the police they jump on, if a story can be spun negatively any way they do it. It’s easy because the police as an institution for the most part refuses to defend itself from this campaign.
The effect is clear, look on any Reddit thread mentioning the police and you will get hordes of grass dodgers spewing utter vitriol. The media has genuinely radicalised sections of the population against the police.
That’s before you get into the garden variety extremists like the inhabitants of /r/greenandpleasant
I did 3 years working on the dispatch/999 call taking side so not directly attending but speaking too and being exposed to probably 100s of incidents within a 10-12 hour shift.
The first thing I was told is no one ever calls up to tell you there having a great day, it’s pretty much always one of the worst days of their lives. You’re just living that day in day out, trying to be empathetic enough to do the job and get people to trust you enough to talk, without being so empathetic you take all that trauma home is a pretty difficult line to walk.
The reality often isn’t catching criminals and dealing with crime, it’s dealing with traumatic suicides, speaking to family of the deceased who have just located there relative etc etc. mixed with mrs miggins ringing up because someone’s dog shit in her garden.
The pay is also shite. We were on a flat rate compared to PC’s who scale with time served but is roughly equivalent to a 5-6 year PC. Around 31/32k with shift and weekend allowance but that’s rotating shifts and 3 in 5 weekends. Probably not too too bad if you live in the north, but if you live in the South but not in a county that gets home office weightings it’s certainly not enough money to consider it a career.
Again can only speak for my force that I won’t be naming but proper mental health support is nigh on non existent. Line manager dependent you might have some support there but you won’t get therapy paid for by the force or anything like a lot of people seem to believe.
I’m assuming they were told they’d have to do more than arrest people for being mean of Facebook.
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on your way out to (hopefully) getting a real job 👋
Yikes, time to install some barbed wire on my fence and maybe buy a baseball bat?
Morale would hit rock bottom while your job is vilified.
It’s a shame our police forces have to fight with the gloves on. Imagine how the george floyd arrest would have gone if they could use batons.
I’m in another part of civil service and it’s a shambles. Just seen a FOUR YEAR project to sort out broken pay structure time out and begin from scratch because nobody in number 10 could be bothered to pick up the case which had already been approved by cabinet office. This is for a large arms length body. People have had enough and are leaving in droves.
Become an MP, they get above inflation pay rises all the time.
I’ve been a train driving instructor for 20 years. I have had 72 fresh off the street trainees. 34 of them have been ex-police. The stories I’ve heard over the years I’m surprised we still have a police force.
I was just wondering what today’s tory disaster was going to be…
I couldn’t care about the police.
I was arrested for having a glass smashed on my shoulder, disarming the person without hurting them and holding the glass outside by myself as evidence. (I phoned the police)
The officer was a lady, quickly put me in cuffs. Took me down some stairs and instantly stopped as I was stepping down a stair. Obviously you can’t stop midair. She yanked me down and said I was resisting arrest, I said are you crazy I can’t bend the rules of gravity and she said I might need to be sectioned. I asked for the footage but apparently it was corrupted and they no longer had it.
Released in the morning with no charge nothing.
A friend quit after 6 years. he said there is a real culture of witch hunting in the police at the moment.
Obviously some terrible things have been discovered about officers recently, and that needs to be dealt with.
But he said one opinion of incorrectly articulated, like the wrong social media post, one sentance out of context, or an accusations from a colleague and it’s immediate suspension with the threat of dismissal and loss of pension.
He said to the point where officers didn’t reallyinteract with one another except strictly professionally and it was lonely.
Time to privatise the police because for this countries mega brains, that’s always their answer 😂
Police aren’t really there to protect us from ourselves, (however that’s why many of them join the force with the best of intention) since they were only really created along with the military to protect the elites interests and their assets, and to enforce their rule, and to stop us from rising up to taking the wealth stolen back by using violence (the very same tools they take from us). It’s an illusion created by our slave masters. & Most people can’t comprehend that, since they have been so well conditioned by the system. And they do that job for what? Poor pay and stress, just like all Public workers? People are waking up to the charade.
Good. How anyone can enforce laws today which are more intent on ending peoples freedom as opposed to solving actual crime is beyond me.
Same with the army. Why would anyone want to serve or defend this government and country.
Curious about the jobs they’re doing once leaving – job market is a bit rubbish at the moment.
I’m currently in the police, is anyone actually surprised?
The general public quite frankly doesn’t have a fucking clue what the job entails and the realities of it. Far too many people have watched a TV series and have a completely unrealistic and skewed view of what the job is and requires.
Your average person will go through a few traumatic moments in their lives, in the Police you’re expected to go towards those situations on a daily basis and that’s the job. I’ll routinely go to decomposing bodies ranging from fresh to months old, I’ve had a child from a 5th floor window, bloke with his throat slashed, I’ve had people try to stab me, I’ll get spat at and people resisting and fighting on a regular basis. Car accidents with fatalities, having to sit down and tell someone their kid is dead, having to take statements or look at evidence of harrowing sexual offences or imagery.
The Police are the default emergency service for pretty much everything. For doing all of that I get paid the same as someone who manages an Aldi. They don’t have cancelled rest days, nightshifts, cancelled days off for football and events, held on at work, injured at work and risk jail/losing your pension for making a split second mistake. All the while the courts spit in the face of all your hard work and repeatedly let people out with stupidly light sentences which according to the public is obviously your fault.
So if I can get paid the same for working in an Aldi with none of the same risks and drawbacks, why exactly should people want to do the job? – Going neee naaaww in the car gets boring real fast.
Pay properly, rapidly increase numbers and stop sending us to mental health calls and you’ll fix the issue.
I’ve got 28 years in. Would I join again? Yes, but I wouldn’t last 28 years.
Is that the morale that has been impacted by over **800 serving MET Officers** being investigated for sexual assault and other crimes?!
Cry me a river. The police are unfit for duty and don’t blame the government they’ve been shit for 30 plus years. Unwilling to adapt to a changing world.
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Can’t really blame them can you. Crap pay, for crap work, during crap hours, and you routinely have to put yourself in direct physical danger.
I understand all the government failings through greed and gaslighting, filling their pockets while children starve,etc, the usual.
What I don’t understand is why they’ve defunded and ruined the police. Surely they need the police to keep them safe from us once we all wake up.
I’d have thought they would put money into the police and army, if nothing else. Why have they let it collapse when they might need it too?
Watching the end credits of any police show is enough to put me off doing the job.
All that danger for £21,402, rising to £41,130 at the top of the scale a year.
proof it’s a joke service yeah ?
Well, the tories have ruined/decimated/destroyed every other profession and industry so why should the police be any different?
Tory mantra.
Take public service
Underfund and understaff it
Lay blame for things not being done properly anymore
Privatise it with friends businesses using tax payers money.
Same is happening in the armed forces, when a government (and the same will be under Labour, probably worse) cares more about the welfare of the criminal / enemy – you have a serious problem.
Government makes police take over the top action against peaceful protesters, peaceful protesters start hating the police, Government shouts at police for not doing even more wildly illegal repression. What officer who actually wants to help the community would stick around?
It’s a tough job for crap pay, coupled with everyone hating you.
When you dial 999 you are relieved when the fire or ambulance show up. No one is happy to see the police.
The British media have a very large part to play on this, certain sections of it, especially the BBC have conducted what can only be described as a persistent smear campaign against the police for years now.
Any opportunity to bash the police they jump on, if a story can be spun negatively any way they do it. It’s easy because the police as an institution for the most part refuses to defend itself from this campaign.
The effect is clear, look on any Reddit thread mentioning the police and you will get hordes of grass dodgers spewing utter vitriol. The media has genuinely radicalised sections of the population against the police.
That’s before you get into the garden variety extremists like the inhabitants of /r/greenandpleasant
I did 3 years working on the dispatch/999 call taking side so not directly attending but speaking too and being exposed to probably 100s of incidents within a 10-12 hour shift.
The first thing I was told is no one ever calls up to tell you there having a great day, it’s pretty much always one of the worst days of their lives. You’re just living that day in day out, trying to be empathetic enough to do the job and get people to trust you enough to talk, without being so empathetic you take all that trauma home is a pretty difficult line to walk.
The reality often isn’t catching criminals and dealing with crime, it’s dealing with traumatic suicides, speaking to family of the deceased who have just located there relative etc etc. mixed with mrs miggins ringing up because someone’s dog shit in her garden.
The pay is also shite. We were on a flat rate compared to PC’s who scale with time served but is roughly equivalent to a 5-6 year PC. Around 31/32k with shift and weekend allowance but that’s rotating shifts and 3 in 5 weekends. Probably not too too bad if you live in the north, but if you live in the South but not in a county that gets home office weightings it’s certainly not enough money to consider it a career.
Again can only speak for my force that I won’t be naming but proper mental health support is nigh on non existent. Line manager dependent you might have some support there but you won’t get therapy paid for by the force or anything like a lot of people seem to believe.
I’m assuming they were told they’d have to do more than arrest people for being mean of Facebook.
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on your way out to (hopefully) getting a real job 👋
Yikes, time to install some barbed wire on my fence and maybe buy a baseball bat?
Morale would hit rock bottom while your job is vilified.
It’s a shame our police forces have to fight with the gloves on. Imagine how the george floyd arrest would have gone if they could use batons.
I’m in another part of civil service and it’s a shambles. Just seen a FOUR YEAR project to sort out broken pay structure time out and begin from scratch because nobody in number 10 could be bothered to pick up the case which had already been approved by cabinet office. This is for a large arms length body. People have had enough and are leaving in droves.
Become an MP, they get above inflation pay rises all the time.
I’ve been a train driving instructor for 20 years. I have had 72 fresh off the street trainees. 34 of them have been ex-police. The stories I’ve heard over the years I’m surprised we still have a police force.
I was just wondering what today’s tory disaster was going to be…
I couldn’t care about the police.
I was arrested for having a glass smashed on my shoulder, disarming the person without hurting them and holding the glass outside by myself as evidence. (I phoned the police)
The officer was a lady, quickly put me in cuffs. Took me down some stairs and instantly stopped as I was stepping down a stair. Obviously you can’t stop midair. She yanked me down and said I was resisting arrest, I said are you crazy I can’t bend the rules of gravity and she said I might need to be sectioned. I asked for the footage but apparently it was corrupted and they no longer had it.
Released in the morning with no charge nothing.
A friend quit after 6 years. he said there is a real culture of witch hunting in the police at the moment.
Obviously some terrible things have been discovered about officers recently, and that needs to be dealt with.
But he said one opinion of incorrectly articulated, like the wrong social media post, one sentance out of context, or an accusations from a colleague and it’s immediate suspension with the threat of dismissal and loss of pension.
He said to the point where officers didn’t reallyinteract with one another except strictly professionally and it was lonely.
Time to privatise the police because for this countries mega brains, that’s always their answer 😂
Police aren’t really there to protect us from ourselves, (however that’s why many of them join the force with the best of intention) since they were only really created along with the military to protect the elites interests and their assets, and to enforce their rule, and to stop us from rising up to taking the wealth stolen back by using violence (the very same tools they take from us). It’s an illusion created by our slave masters. & Most people can’t comprehend that, since they have been so well conditioned by the system. And they do that job for what? Poor pay and stress, just like all Public workers? People are waking up to the charade.
Good. How anyone can enforce laws today which are more intent on ending peoples freedom as opposed to solving actual crime is beyond me.
Same with the army. Why would anyone want to serve or defend this government and country.
Curious about the jobs they’re doing once leaving – job market is a bit rubbish at the moment.
I’m currently in the police, is anyone actually surprised?
The general public quite frankly doesn’t have a fucking clue what the job entails and the realities of it. Far too many people have watched a TV series and have a completely unrealistic and skewed view of what the job is and requires.
Your average person will go through a few traumatic moments in their lives, in the Police you’re expected to go towards those situations on a daily basis and that’s the job. I’ll routinely go to decomposing bodies ranging from fresh to months old, I’ve had a child from a 5th floor window, bloke with his throat slashed, I’ve had people try to stab me, I’ll get spat at and people resisting and fighting on a regular basis. Car accidents with fatalities, having to sit down and tell someone their kid is dead, having to take statements or look at evidence of harrowing sexual offences or imagery.
The Police are the default emergency service for pretty much everything. For doing all of that I get paid the same as someone who manages an Aldi. They don’t have cancelled rest days, nightshifts, cancelled days off for football and events, held on at work, injured at work and risk jail/losing your pension for making a split second mistake. All the while the courts spit in the face of all your hard work and repeatedly let people out with stupidly light sentences which according to the public is obviously your fault.
So if I can get paid the same for working in an Aldi with none of the same risks and drawbacks, why exactly should people want to do the job? – Going neee naaaww in the car gets boring real fast.
Pay properly, rapidly increase numbers and stop sending us to mental health calls and you’ll fix the issue.
I’ve got 28 years in. Would I join again? Yes, but I wouldn’t last 28 years.
Is that the morale that has been impacted by over **800 serving MET Officers** being investigated for sexual assault and other crimes?!
Cry me a river. The police are unfit for duty and don’t blame the government they’ve been shit for 30 plus years. Unwilling to adapt to a changing world.