Margaret Thatcher was a ‘visionary’ says Labour’s David Lammy. The shadow foreign secretary’s words are likely to infuriate the left of his party.

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  1. > The shadow foreign secretary’s words are likely to infuriate the left of his party.

    The right *and the centre* of the party will be OK with it?

  2. > Speaking to POLITICO’s Power Play interview podcast, however, Lammy defended Reeves’s comparison with Margaret Thatcher. “I think it’s very apposite,” he said.

    > “You can take issue with Mrs Thatcher’s prescription, but she had a big manifesto for change and set about a course that lasted for over two decades.”

  4. Flip not looking good for Labour.

    [Labour’s Darren Jones praises Margaret Thatcher for ‘national renewal’](https://www.thenational.scot/news/24195289.labours-darren-jones-praises-margaret-thatcher-national-renewal/)

    Followed by:

    [Scottish Labour refuse to condemn Darren Jones’s Thatcher praise](https://www.thenational.scot/news/24196648.scottish-labour-refuse-condemn-darren-joness-thatcher-praise/)

    Now they have Ian Murray [hiring someone from a think tank](https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ian-murray-embarrasses-anas-sarwars-143851996.html) who suggested that the UK government should put people smuggler gangs on a barge and send them to Scotland.

    Are you Labour yet?

  6. I mean I don’t know the full context but ‘Margaret thatcher was a visionary’ as a standalone quote isn’t incorrect regardless of anything else associated with her. Doesn’t mean she was a force for good but it was certainly a radical change which I think everyone can agree the UK needs some of. More of the same isn’t going to work after the last 14 years.

    Radical change doesn’t have to mean a lurch towards right wing politics.
    I haven’t seen the whole thing but if he then followed up with and I agree with her policies and we should implement them then yes we have a problem.

  7. She was indeed a visionary, a visionary of neo-liberal grift, societal decay and corporatocracy. She was the harbinger of what was to come in the rotten loam of this hopeless and desolate century.

  8. Fucks sake, how is this even controversial?

    She was hardly a milquetoast consensus politician, was she?

    You don’t need to agree with her in the slightest, indeed you can hate what she stood for, to be able to see that she was a visionary. Someone who had original ideas (compared to other political offerings at the time) for how the future could be.

  9. Red tories. We need a party that will represent ordinary people. Mot tory lite.

  10. Which goes to show that he is a closet tory. His honesty and fitness for the job he was elected to do is in question here.

  11. Does anyone remember Ken Livingstone saying “Hitler” over and over again for no apparent reason?

    This is like that. Except the entire Shadow Cabinet.

  12. hope they keep this rhetoric goin, sooner we’re out this union the better

  14. >In her speech, Reeves praised Thatcher for delivering “supply-side reforms” and rejecting Britain’s “managed decline.”

    Thatcher literally created “managed decline” on purpose. Who is this Reeves? Is she stupid?

  15. Labour in Scotland will be desperate to cover up for the red tories

  16. Reason number 44 as to why I won’t vote Labour.

    There was once time where if Labour said this they would lose an election and rightly so, now that Thatcher is dead she’s “a visionary”? No she wasn’t and never will be..

  17. Hahaha been telling people for ten years that there’s no difference between labour and the conservatives, after all the abuse I received by mostly left wing people, it’s funny as fuck to watch them puzzle now

  23. Stephen Flynn was the star at PMQs today with him getting the whole house laughing at Labour’s Thatcher fan club.

    Here’s the thing. Labour tried the hard left approach and watched all the traditional red wall seats tumble to the tories.

    They panic and throw the party to the right to win over that conservative lure. Whether it is working is neither here nor there because of the collapse of the tories. Labour are trying so hard to win over dejected tory voters they have abandoned that red wall, thinking its one and the same. It’s all a tory vote appeal to them.

    So where does that leave us.

    Notice how invisible the North branch Labour Party is. How quiet they are. The Northern supplementary vote fodder of old not really factored in to the strategy of the main branch of competent tory ideal lure.

    We don’t matter. Never did. And in that abandonment we were shown our future when Starmer, in trying to suppress an SNP proposal vote rebellion by labour MPs, had the house engineer the muffling of our representation and declared it insubordination and SNP game playing.

    Despite the polls, Labour’s internal analysis of the Scottish vote will show yet another SNP majority, even against the demise of Sturgeon and the SNP troubles. They don’t need us, and know the Scots vote isn’t worth losing sleep over for them. All concentration on conservative England and the lesson that no real complaints as a whole at our 2nd class stature in the house means it will continue.

    Scottish Labour know they can’t sell that shite up here. Just be happy to improve on two seats for an extra dozen at best in Scotland. Wait till the Scottish elections and concentrate their full attention then and then only.

    It really is very clear now, and the branch office know all too well that Labour politics in Scotland is say nowt, let the red tops and the BBC howl out day after day after day SNP bad screeching no matter how bizarre and inane it gets at times, and all because there is not a hope of any sale whatever of today’s new, new Labour’s tory rosette campaign, so why even try.

    If there is any sliver of hope of Labour representation in Scotland, then it is in the growing disillusionment and feeling of complete abandonment of those members and MSPs outwith Sarwar, Baillie and Murray, who are ready to burst and will burst at that low election return in Scotland as England and Starmer celebrate that competent tory renewal.

    Once they do and separate from londons indifferent control, then the Indy movement becomes a runaway train.

  24. Brilliant.

    Another political party full of cunts.

  25. But she was, like Trump is. The left really need one too, need some fecking balance in the world or were all doomed.

  26. There’s a lot she did wrong on a monumental and lasting scale, but she was a visionary.

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    We can lay the blame for much of the housing issues we see now at her door, but turning a failing country around and modernising the UK was also very much on her.

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