I have seen literally all 5 of these narratives/tactics on this very sub
I see this everywhere. From Reddit, to Youtube comments, to news article comments. Its crazy….
I think another important point to note is that immoral behavior on the part of one country does not make the immoral actions of another country acceptable.
The horrors wrought by the US in Yemen or the colonial past (and arguably present) of the English does not somehow give Russia a pass to assassinate people abroad or invade independent nations for its own benefit.
I don’t believe the average citizen of most countries supports actions like this, but as we know, many western “democracies” are more like oligarchies, where the popular will of the people may be neglected when moneyed interests have a strong stake in an issue.
The difference here is that there’s still substantial truth in information available in the west, which can be independently verified.
This coming from those who brought us the WMD lies. Can’t make this shit up.
😂😂😂
Like Weapons of Mass Destruction?
I can’t take people who use the word “Russophobia” unironically seriously, I might be the only one.
The United States Of We Found Weapons of Mass Destruction is trying to lecture about propaganda. Ok.
Wow. There sure are a lot of accounts that are trying to equate Russian disinformation to G.W. Bush’s suspected WMD justification for Iraq.
It almost seems like a coordinated effort…
Edit: Holy shit. I’m tired of telling people they’ve missed the point.
Now tell me the USA ones.
Clear cut case of pot calling the kettle black
Nothing new, honestly. Politics is dirty, and everyone knows that. USA, Russia or China all use propaganda, fake info to blame others and defend themselves. But for fucks sake, for one goddamn time maybe hear each other out, stop the suckers of military budgets and end the fucking war.
” Theme #5: Reality is Whatever the Kremlin Wants It to Be” – godhood syndrome
RuSSoPhObIAA this rUssOpHoBiA that is my favorite one, all day erryday on this sub.
It must suck ass to be a normal non-ultranationalist Russian having to put up with their government and listening to the global discourse.
> Theme #2: Historical Revisionism
Quite ironic from the american government as they have been trying for 70 years now to minimize the role of Russia in the World War 2 and pretend that without the US, europe would be speaking german.
The truth is that without the US, Europe would be speaking russian.
The title really feels like it’s missing some ‘#2 will surprise you!’ vibes. Cool read, though, thanks.
All have been supremely obvious for years. We need to tear down this wall of disinformation that has been erected and keeps so many of our fellow humans behind it, and in abject misery because of it.
And that is why, people, you get your information from multiple opposing sources plus some.
Also, has similar “top X tactics” been made for the CPC, CIA, MI6? I wonder if all of them share something or if they are sort of unique? I would assume all of them are almost identical because they try to exploit human psychology (just like ads).
I want a breakdown of which sites they use most. I’ll bet money Reddit is high up the list.
This was covered quite a bit in the book “We are Bellingcat”, so if anyone wants some more detail in where this has been used, and how people are working to counter it, i’d recommend reading that. Its really good and highlights just how far the Russian government have gone in terms of misinformation.
Its mostly about open source intelligence, internet sleuthing and creating an investigation system that stands up to scrutiny from courts, but it is strongly linked fo misinformation and what can be done to stop it, and has a lot of very recent case studies.
The Unites States of America pointing out disinformation narratives of other countries. Strange happening, but the article is generally on point so fair enough I guess….
This type of documentation is important and welcomed.
Being better informed is very important.
But in the same time, as a Frenchman who did serve years ago during the US so called war on terror, I just can’t take anything coming from there for granted anymore.
The way they continuously for years smeared our country for refusing to join in Iraq, a war that by all accounts took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians, decades of useless conflicts, destabilization, etc.
Their way of always resorting to a dualistic narrative, us against them, the good vs the bad.
I’m not supporting the Kremlin wet imperialistic dreams, but it is equally hard for me, and a lot of my country men, to take the US narrative as honest too.
They don’t really trial their soldiers for misconduct abroad, refusing objective outside view from the UN to inquire on wrongful drone strikes, etc.
Do I support Putin? Hell no, but let’s be honest, for the last decades whose hands are covered in civilian blood?
Am I the only one who already took those points as given parts of the Russian state being how it is? I was expecting something new, but that’s so old and mundane.
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I have seen literally all 5 of these narratives/tactics on this very sub
I see this everywhere. From Reddit, to Youtube comments, to news article comments. Its crazy….
I think another important point to note is that immoral behavior on the part of one country does not make the immoral actions of another country acceptable.
The horrors wrought by the US in Yemen or the colonial past (and arguably present) of the English does not somehow give Russia a pass to assassinate people abroad or invade independent nations for its own benefit.
I don’t believe the average citizen of most countries supports actions like this, but as we know, many western “democracies” are more like oligarchies, where the popular will of the people may be neglected when moneyed interests have a strong stake in an issue.
The difference here is that there’s still substantial truth in information available in the west, which can be independently verified.
Edit: some people have pointed out that my usage of oligarchy may not be as accurate as just “corruption,” but I chose the word based on the famous [2014 Princeton study](https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf), which again is not conclusive, but illustrates how what is popular among the people does not necessarily get implemented in government.
lol lol lol
This coming from those who brought us the WMD lies. Can’t make this shit up.
😂😂😂
Like Weapons of Mass Destruction?
I can’t take people who use the word “Russophobia” unironically seriously, I might be the only one.
The United States Of We Found Weapons of Mass Destruction is trying to lecture about propaganda. Ok.
Wow. There sure are a lot of accounts that are trying to equate Russian disinformation to G.W. Bush’s suspected WMD justification for Iraq.
It almost seems like a coordinated effort…
Edit: Holy shit. I’m tired of telling people they’ve missed the point.
Now tell me the USA ones.
Clear cut case of pot calling the kettle black
Nothing new, honestly. Politics is dirty, and everyone knows that. USA, Russia or China all use propaganda, fake info to blame others and defend themselves. But for fucks sake, for one goddamn time maybe hear each other out, stop the suckers of military budgets and end the fucking war.
” Theme #5: Reality is Whatever the Kremlin Wants It to Be” – godhood syndrome
RuSSoPhObIAA this rUssOpHoBiA that is my favorite one, all day erryday on this sub.
It must suck ass to be a normal non-ultranationalist Russian having to put up with their government and listening to the global discourse.
> Theme #2: Historical Revisionism
Quite ironic from the american government as they have been trying for 70 years now to minimize the role of Russia in the World War 2 and pretend that without the US, europe would be speaking german.
The truth is that without the US, Europe would be speaking russian.
The title really feels like it’s missing some ‘#2 will surprise you!’ vibes. Cool read, though, thanks.
All have been supremely obvious for years. We need to tear down this wall of disinformation that has been erected and keeps so many of our fellow humans behind it, and in abject misery because of it.
And that is why, people, you get your information from multiple opposing sources plus some.
Also, has similar “top X tactics” been made for the CPC, CIA, MI6? I wonder if all of them share something or if they are sort of unique? I would assume all of them are almost identical because they try to exploit human psychology (just like ads).
I want a breakdown of which sites they use most. I’ll bet money Reddit is high up the list.
This was covered quite a bit in the book “We are Bellingcat”, so if anyone wants some more detail in where this has been used, and how people are working to counter it, i’d recommend reading that. Its really good and highlights just how far the Russian government have gone in terms of misinformation.
Its mostly about open source intelligence, internet sleuthing and creating an investigation system that stands up to scrutiny from courts, but it is strongly linked fo misinformation and what can be done to stop it, and has a lot of very recent case studies.
The “decaying”, “degenerate” West narrative is so laughable. A country that is the most [HIV-positive](http://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16254.jpeg) in Europe by a high margin, with the 2nd highest [homicide rate](https://vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/cropped-Homicide-Rates.jpg), 2nd highest [divorce rate](https://landgeistdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/europe-divorce-rate.png). Truly the last bastion of traditional values.
The Unites States of America pointing out disinformation narratives of other countries. Strange happening, but the article is generally on point so fair enough I guess….
This type of documentation is important and welcomed.
Being better informed is very important.
But in the same time, as a Frenchman who did serve years ago during the US so called war on terror, I just can’t take anything coming from there for granted anymore.
The way they continuously for years smeared our country for refusing to join in Iraq, a war that by all accounts took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians, decades of useless conflicts, destabilization, etc.
Their way of always resorting to a dualistic narrative, us against them, the good vs the bad.
I’m not supporting the Kremlin wet imperialistic dreams, but it is equally hard for me, and a lot of my country men, to take the US narrative as honest too.
They don’t really trial their soldiers for misconduct abroad, refusing objective outside view from the UN to inquire on wrongful drone strikes, etc.
Do I support Putin? Hell no, but let’s be honest, for the last decades whose hands are covered in civilian blood?
Am I the only one who already took those points as given parts of the Russian state being how it is? I was expecting something new, but that’s so old and mundane.
If you are interested in this, have a read:
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Army_of_Trolls
They are everywhere in Reddit. Try being critical of Russia/China/etc. You will find yourself swamped in trolls. Just look at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/s9mtgl/reddit_should_impose_a_blanket_ban_on_all_ips/
Literally all of them must be Trolls from Olgino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency)
We are already at war. They know it. A lot of people here, apparently, do not.