TikTok becomes an instrument of information warfare for dictatorships like Iran, Russia and China.
Please yes
Nature is healing
Why? I mean, if we are going to ban a web for spreading propaganda, we should ban all social media.
Don’t care about it either way, but the timing really does Germany no favour regarding the “cultural colony” allegations.
About time
Russia and china banned all western social media, I see no reason to leave china propaganda channel spreading lies
i dont know what tiktok you are on, but mine isn’t Chinese propaganda and about stealing data? like every app does it and what would they do with my data?
The only reasons why the US want to ban Tik Tok is because it eats into US social media companies revenue and they can’t force Tik Tok to censor news the way how they can do to Meta and Alphabet.
I agree that TikTok is perhaps the biggest brain rot out of all
However, we shouldn’t pretend like other social medias are significantly better
If the argument is “threat to democracy”, then so is Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Google, YouTube or even War Thunder forum and like 50% of the entire internet.
Now close down all the illegal, secret communist Chinese police stations around Europe to reduce Beijing’s long-arm and its efforts to control its citizens abroad and other ‘non-friendly’ actors.
Horrible precedent for european net neutrality
Nobody cared about the „propaganda“ when it was the Uighur Muslims that were at stake, but now that tons of footage from the Palestine/Israel conflict and subsequent viral criticism of Israels actions arose, NOW suddenly the US and EU are talking about banning the app.. the timing is certainly very interesting!
Okay, when will facebook, instagram, reddit, twitter, YouTube, tinder, wattpad, Pinterest, netflix, grindr, crunchyroll, and candy crush be banned?
(Don’t take this too seriously, I’m poking fun at the hypocrisy)
Yes here in germany we only want to be spyed on by our closest allies.
So basically freedom of speech is gone
Also people’s lively hoods are gone
Content creators make good money on TikTok
My hatred for tiktok is fighting my hatred for censorship now.
No, that’s just ridiculous.
We either ban all the companies that constantly breach law (META with Facebook and Instagram) or none.
I know this sub is infested with too many Americans, but still
I miss the old internet.
Being a hardline supporter of net neutrality (and from a country that’s one of the biggest respecters of it), this seems like one of the most horrible possible precedents for it. China can spy on you through literally any social media, and don’t even pretend they’re much better. Brain rot or not I will loudly fight for the rights of net neutrality just so we would not go down such a slippery slope.
Lmao I don’t know why most comments think this is a good idea. I mean, yeah, Tiktok is Chinese but why is that automatically bad?
I’ve used the platform for some time now and I can say for sure that it’s much much better than Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Threads or whatever, based on useful content. For sure the algorithm is different in every user and I may see a biased side of tiktok. However, their algorithm is much better than the likes of other social media and it can make you discover new creators, new information and you can have a good experience all around. Ofc there’s misinformation but tbh I’ve seen much much more misinformation in Facebook and Instagram.
In addition, tiktok is the only one right now with good advertisements. Idk how the case is in other countries, but in my experience meta ads are full of scams nowadays. They are getting closer to porn web page’s ads at this point.
In general, TikTok is much more trustworthy than other social media nowadays (Reddit is still the best thankfully). I think it would be a parody to ban it while other social media do much worse than Tiktok
Because facebook, insta and twitter are fine right?
Regulate dont ban things
Using the same things as china and russia and calling it good because is us is not ok
Same treatment for Twitter/X what is used to spread pro-Russian and anti-EU propaganda even by it’s owner.
While we are at it, could we also ban Twitter/X? It is a private means of info warfare against the democratic principle.
TikTok sucks, do it.
TikTok is literally brainwashing our kids with chinese and russian propaganda.
> Some politicians in Germany consider the app “a danger to our democracy,” Kiesewetter continued, because it is an “important instrument” in China and Russia’s hybrid warfare.
So are all other social medias, they are all filled to the brim with propaganda. And it’s not even just the content, curiously enough a lot of the people who used to moderate the bulgarian side of Facebook were russians!
That being said it seems like the ban is only an option if the regulations about misinformation are not implemented well.
Orwell was wrong about his future alliances. Soon it will come down to TikTok friendly nations vs non.
Somewhere in the 2010’s the west forgot that china is not their friend.
If you ban TikTok, you ban all social media. The engagement is the same with conservative people and Facebook.
Germans should petition to become another US state, because at this point their status is similar to Puerto Rico: they are basically just blonde puerto ricans
lol
I think it absolutely should carry a similar kind of warning as cigarettes do, as TikTok is very spy-ish…
As far as I know TikTok wasn’t named, just unapproved for government work issue phones. Which is like, yeah, don’t watch tiktoks on your gov phone, I absolutely approve of that
I may be in the minority, but I rather hope it does get banned. I would swear it’s actively making people dumber.
An ex and I used to talk of an evening – proper, in-depth conversations late at night about the cosmos, philosophy, history, geography, books, obscure lore, anything. Wonderful, sleepy chats about Big Things and much littler things, connecting, agreeing, disagreeing, good-natured arguments, etc.
Then along came TikTok and she got into it big. Suddenly, instead of a conversation, she would show me half an hour of inane and meaningless videos before we went to sleep. No more chats. No more Big Ideas. Just… stupid dances and occasionally cats.
Sad times.
According to this subreddit, we should ban all social media sites, halt AI research, drive hybrids, and reduce the ESA funding.
Then you wonder why big tech doesn’t want to invest here, why Europe is behind the rest of the world in AI and tech, and you cry about it on a social media site called Reddit
Coming from the country where government selects what people can consume in internet, fuck this! Let people decide on their own what they read and watch. Personally I don’t have TikTok, that’s why I don’t use it. Other people can do the same.
*”He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster…”*
tiktok is a drug.
I hope so, and for other countries to do the same. Tiktok is a plague. Tell me one good thing that came from it
Feels like day one TikTok launched, people warned how much data the app is grabbing and sending and that it is pretty clear they are not GDPR compliant and how it’s likely a massiv spy-op. Politics are so behind on the schedule when it comes to basically ANYTHING tech related.
We have algorithms serving nothing but vitriol, hate and dumb shit to people who can’t even distinguish facts from lies anymore, because the constant bombardment with propaganda and anything that drives eNgAgEmEnT metrics (which again, is mostly vile content one way or the other) brainwashed them.
It’s a giant danger to tolerant societies and democracies and absolutely nothing is being done to stopp Alphabet, Meta, Elon, TikTok and so on.
We need regulation of social media platforms and content serving algorithms YESTERDAY.
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TikTok becomes an instrument of information warfare for dictatorships like Iran, Russia and China.
Please yes
Nature is healing
Why? I mean, if we are going to ban a web for spreading propaganda, we should ban all social media.
Don’t care about it either way, but the timing really does Germany no favour regarding the “cultural colony” allegations.
About time
Russia and china banned all western social media, I see no reason to leave china propaganda channel spreading lies
i dont know what tiktok you are on, but mine isn’t Chinese propaganda and about stealing data? like every app does it and what would they do with my data?
The only reasons why the US want to ban Tik Tok is because it eats into US social media companies revenue and they can’t force Tik Tok to censor news the way how they can do to Meta and Alphabet.
I agree that TikTok is perhaps the biggest brain rot out of all
However, we shouldn’t pretend like other social medias are significantly better
If the argument is “threat to democracy”, then so is Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Google, YouTube or even War Thunder forum and like 50% of the entire internet.
Now close down all the illegal, secret communist Chinese police stations around Europe to reduce Beijing’s long-arm and its efforts to control its citizens abroad and other ‘non-friendly’ actors.
Horrible precedent for european net neutrality
Nobody cared about the „propaganda“ when it was the Uighur Muslims that were at stake, but now that tons of footage from the Palestine/Israel conflict and subsequent viral criticism of Israels actions arose, NOW suddenly the US and EU are talking about banning the app.. the timing is certainly very interesting!
Okay, when will facebook, instagram, reddit, twitter, YouTube, tinder, wattpad, Pinterest, netflix, grindr, crunchyroll, and candy crush be banned?
(Don’t take this too seriously, I’m poking fun at the hypocrisy)
Yes here in germany we only want to be spyed on by our closest allies.
So basically freedom of speech is gone
Also people’s lively hoods are gone
Content creators make good money on TikTok
My hatred for tiktok is fighting my hatred for censorship now.
No, that’s just ridiculous.
We either ban all the companies that constantly breach law (META with Facebook and Instagram) or none.
I know this sub is infested with too many Americans, but still
I miss the old internet.
Being a hardline supporter of net neutrality (and from a country that’s one of the biggest respecters of it), this seems like one of the most horrible possible precedents for it. China can spy on you through literally any social media, and don’t even pretend they’re much better. Brain rot or not I will loudly fight for the rights of net neutrality just so we would not go down such a slippery slope.
Lmao I don’t know why most comments think this is a good idea. I mean, yeah, Tiktok is Chinese but why is that automatically bad?
I’ve used the platform for some time now and I can say for sure that it’s much much better than Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Threads or whatever, based on useful content. For sure the algorithm is different in every user and I may see a biased side of tiktok. However, their algorithm is much better than the likes of other social media and it can make you discover new creators, new information and you can have a good experience all around. Ofc there’s misinformation but tbh I’ve seen much much more misinformation in Facebook and Instagram.
In addition, tiktok is the only one right now with good advertisements. Idk how the case is in other countries, but in my experience meta ads are full of scams nowadays. They are getting closer to porn web page’s ads at this point.
In general, TikTok is much more trustworthy than other social media nowadays (Reddit is still the best thankfully). I think it would be a parody to ban it while other social media do much worse than Tiktok
Because facebook, insta and twitter are fine right?
Regulate dont ban things
Using the same things as china and russia and calling it good because is us is not ok
Same treatment for Twitter/X what is used to spread pro-Russian and anti-EU propaganda even by it’s owner.
While we are at it, could we also ban Twitter/X? It is a private means of info warfare against the democratic principle.
TikTok sucks, do it.
TikTok is literally brainwashing our kids with chinese and russian propaganda.
> Some politicians in Germany consider the app “a danger to our democracy,” Kiesewetter continued, because it is an “important instrument” in China and Russia’s hybrid warfare.
So are all other social medias, they are all filled to the brim with propaganda. And it’s not even just the content, curiously enough a lot of the people who used to moderate the bulgarian side of Facebook were russians!
That being said it seems like the ban is only an option if the regulations about misinformation are not implemented well.
Orwell was wrong about his future alliances. Soon it will come down to TikTok friendly nations vs non.
Somewhere in the 2010’s the west forgot that china is not their friend.
If you ban TikTok, you ban all social media. The engagement is the same with conservative people and Facebook.
Germans should petition to become another US state, because at this point their status is similar to Puerto Rico: they are basically just blonde puerto ricans
lol
I think it absolutely should carry a similar kind of warning as cigarettes do, as TikTok is very spy-ish…
As far as I know TikTok wasn’t named, just unapproved for government work issue phones. Which is like, yeah, don’t watch tiktoks on your gov phone, I absolutely approve of that
I may be in the minority, but I rather hope it does get banned. I would swear it’s actively making people dumber.
An ex and I used to talk of an evening – proper, in-depth conversations late at night about the cosmos, philosophy, history, geography, books, obscure lore, anything. Wonderful, sleepy chats about Big Things and much littler things, connecting, agreeing, disagreeing, good-natured arguments, etc.
Then along came TikTok and she got into it big. Suddenly, instead of a conversation, she would show me half an hour of inane and meaningless videos before we went to sleep. No more chats. No more Big Ideas. Just… stupid dances and occasionally cats.
Sad times.
According to this subreddit, we should ban all social media sites, halt AI research, drive hybrids, and reduce the ESA funding.
Then you wonder why big tech doesn’t want to invest here, why Europe is behind the rest of the world in AI and tech, and you cry about it on a social media site called Reddit
Coming from the country where government selects what people can consume in internet, fuck this! Let people decide on their own what they read and watch. Personally I don’t have TikTok, that’s why I don’t use it. Other people can do the same.
*”He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster…”*
tiktok is a drug.
I hope so, and for other countries to do the same. Tiktok is a plague. Tell me one good thing that came from it
Feels like day one TikTok launched, people warned how much data the app is grabbing and sending and that it is pretty clear they are not GDPR compliant and how it’s likely a massiv spy-op. Politics are so behind on the schedule when it comes to basically ANYTHING tech related.
We have algorithms serving nothing but vitriol, hate and dumb shit to people who can’t even distinguish facts from lies anymore, because the constant bombardment with propaganda and anything that drives eNgAgEmEnT metrics (which again, is mostly vile content one way or the other) brainwashed them.
It’s a giant danger to tolerant societies and democracies and absolutely nothing is being done to stopp Alphabet, Meta, Elon, TikTok and so on.
We need regulation of social media platforms and content serving algorithms YESTERDAY.