>Germany’s continued unwillingness to say that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be part of a package of sanctions
The article is from 2 days ago. In the mean time, Scholz has explicitly said that blocking NS2 is not excluded from a list of possible sanctions.
Doesn’t make sense that Germany should make a noise if Russia invades Ukraine, as these articles claim. They didn’t do anything when the USA invaded Iraq, and they even participated in the occupation of Afghanistan. Nor even after the Turkish invasion of Syria in 2016. So it’s not like they (or anyone in NATO or the EU) has a principled objection to invasions, nor some kind of world police role to stop them.
and more US shilling…
>Part of the problem is that many within the SPD, and in Germany at large, continue to see Schröder as a completely normal ex-chancellor and as an elder statesman.
I don’t agree with that tbh. In the public he is either more of a joke/part of the yellow press, or recognized as part of some of Russia’s companies (tho most wouldn’t know which). But he isn’t some grande figure which demands respect, at least how I see the German public.
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This is a very good article that hits the right tone and provides the nuance required.
I have downvoted much German bashing content the past few days.
This finally is content that is constructive.
Although it can’t explain the complicated situation Germany is in, it does a good job at not being bad.
Nostalgia and delusion all mixed with a bit of corruption. Nice.
Ukrainians must read headlines like this and tear out their hair lmao.
Wtf Germany
>Stegner’s tweetstorm wouldn’t be complete, of course, without mentioning “Ostpolitik.” For many in the SPD, it is a kind of magic word for everything that somehow has to do with Russia. The word refers to Chancellor Willy Brandt’s policy of “change through rapprochement” in the 1970s. But the situation then was completely different than it is today. Back then, it was about easing tensions between two, huge power blocks – and not about an antagonist seeking to shift borders and expand its sphere of influence through the concrete threat of war. Ostpolitik also, it should be mentioned, didn’t involve a country that openly attacked its political opponents in the West with poison and other forms of deadly violence.
Whoever wrote this article obviously lives in some parallel universe where the Cold War wasn’t exactly what he described here. Especially the part about attacking political opponents abroad.
Quite a bullshit article. “Der Spiegel” is strictly in their political line and will use any possibility to shoot against anything which is not the Union-Party, in particular against the current government.
Furthermore it’s almost a doctrine in germany to keep your mouth shut to the public when you are in negotiations of higher importance. Has been this way since Merkel.
There is a difference between “doing nothing” and keeping it secret to not weaken the position of the own negotiators.
Germany has an ex-chancellor-in-Gazprom problem
Parts of the SPD have a Russia problem. As I don’t like the SPD and don’t feel represented by them, this statement is far from being true and excludes a large amount of German people who feel the same as I do.
Today I read an article about a German minister advocating for a Telegram ban. All with the terrorism excuse, this article really adds up.
Ukraine has a Russia problem
Germany Has a Russia Problem
In other news, the sky is blue.
>Using that logic, one could also argue that the needs of Germany’s export industry should be kept apart from a potential invasion of Ukraine. But because Europe, with good reason, isn’t interested in getting involved in armed conflict itself, economic sanctions are the strongest measures currently available.
I wonder if Germans ever get tired of being viewed by outsiders as the Ferengi of Europe?
More anti-German bias from the well known Anglo news source der spiegel.
again another germany is evil circlejerk…. everyone is acting like we invade ukraine too
Seems the easiest thing to do would be for the EU to get off of russia energy? The EU overall gives russia so much money its like half their GDP
Germany has a problem with being double dealing weasels.
This bit really stood out for me:
‘The greatest handicap for Germany’s foreign policy is currently Chancellor Scholz’s SPD. Large swaths of the party, as the current crisis has laid bare, continue to be mired in nostalgia when it comes to their approach to Moscow – a wistfulness that one might be more likely to associate with the Left Party. On Germany’s far left, admiration of authoritarian regimes is standard: The U.S., they tend to believe, is evil, while Russia isn’t considered to be all that bad.’
Deep down, I kinda think many progressives in Germany, and Europe is general, would be perfectly happy with Russian or Chinese domination because it would be a way to reduce the power and influence of the United States.
Me as a german: When you come up with “war”, we’re out of the game with our handful of usable military stuff 😀
Hmm
Especially in winter
The headline of the article was bullshit 2 days ago and it still is.
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EU has a Germany problem.
Who hasn’t
Germany couldn’t lead an alliance out of a paper bag…
Germany has produced one good in the Iron chancellor and since then has been a diplomatic lame duck.
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Nailed it.
That was a remarkably pointed piece, as well.
>Germany’s continued unwillingness to say that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline could be part of a package of sanctions
The article is from 2 days ago. In the mean time, Scholz has explicitly said that blocking NS2 is not excluded from a list of possible sanctions.
Doesn’t make sense that Germany should make a noise if Russia invades Ukraine, as these articles claim. They didn’t do anything when the USA invaded Iraq, and they even participated in the occupation of Afghanistan. Nor even after the Turkish invasion of Syria in 2016. So it’s not like they (or anyone in NATO or the EU) has a principled objection to invasions, nor some kind of world police role to stop them.
and more US shilling…
>Part of the problem is that many within the SPD, and in Germany at large, continue to see Schröder as a completely normal ex-chancellor and as an elder statesman.
I don’t agree with that tbh. In the public he is either more of a joke/part of the yellow press, or recognized as part of some of Russia’s companies (tho most wouldn’t know which). But he isn’t some grande figure which demands respect, at least how I see the German public.
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This is a very good article that hits the right tone and provides the nuance required.
I have downvoted much German bashing content the past few days.
This finally is content that is constructive.
Although it can’t explain the complicated situation Germany is in, it does a good job at not being bad.
Nostalgia and delusion all mixed with a bit of corruption. Nice.
Well this is a bit harsh on a government that is only 2 months in session, whereas Merkel has actively pursued Nord Stream 2
https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-german-chancellors-nord-stream-russia-energy-angela-merkel/
Ukrainians must read headlines like this and tear out their hair lmao.
Wtf Germany
>Stegner’s tweetstorm wouldn’t be complete, of course, without mentioning “Ostpolitik.” For many in the SPD, it is a kind of magic word for everything that somehow has to do with Russia. The word refers to Chancellor Willy Brandt’s policy of “change through rapprochement” in the 1970s. But the situation then was completely different than it is today. Back then, it was about easing tensions between two, huge power blocks – and not about an antagonist seeking to shift borders and expand its sphere of influence through the concrete threat of war. Ostpolitik also, it should be mentioned, didn’t involve a country that openly attacked its political opponents in the West with poison and other forms of deadly violence.
Whoever wrote this article obviously lives in some parallel universe where the Cold War wasn’t exactly what he described here. Especially the part about attacking political opponents abroad.
Quite a bullshit article. “Der Spiegel” is strictly in their political line and will use any possibility to shoot against anything which is not the Union-Party, in particular against the current government.
Furthermore it’s almost a doctrine in germany to keep your mouth shut to the public when you are in negotiations of higher importance. Has been this way since Merkel.
There is a difference between “doing nothing” and keeping it secret to not weaken the position of the own negotiators.
Germany has an ex-chancellor-in-Gazprom problem
Parts of the SPD have a Russia problem. As I don’t like the SPD and don’t feel represented by them, this statement is far from being true and excludes a large amount of German people who feel the same as I do.
Today I read an article about a German minister advocating for a Telegram ban. All with the terrorism excuse, this article really adds up.
Ukraine has a Russia problem
Germany Has a Russia Problem
In other news, the sky is blue.
>Using that logic, one could also argue that the needs of Germany’s export industry should be kept apart from a potential invasion of Ukraine. But because Europe, with good reason, isn’t interested in getting involved in armed conflict itself, economic sanctions are the strongest measures currently available.
I wonder if Germans ever get tired of being viewed by outsiders as the Ferengi of Europe?
More anti-German bias from the well known Anglo news source der spiegel.
again another germany is evil circlejerk…. everyone is acting like we invade ukraine too
Seems the easiest thing to do would be for the EU to get off of russia energy? The EU overall gives russia so much money its like half their GDP
Germany has a problem with being double dealing weasels.
This bit really stood out for me:
‘The greatest handicap for Germany’s foreign policy is currently Chancellor Scholz’s SPD. Large swaths of the party, as the current crisis has laid bare, continue to be mired in nostalgia when it comes to their approach to Moscow – a wistfulness that one might be more likely to associate with the Left Party. On Germany’s far left, admiration of authoritarian regimes is standard: The U.S., they tend to believe, is evil, while Russia isn’t considered to be all that bad.’
Deep down, I kinda think many progressives in Germany, and Europe is general, would be perfectly happy with Russian or Chinese domination because it would be a way to reduce the power and influence of the United States.
Me as a german: When you come up with “war”, we’re out of the game with our handful of usable military stuff 😀
Hmm
Especially in winter
The headline of the article was bullshit 2 days ago and it still is.
[deleted]
EU has a Germany problem.
Who hasn’t
Germany couldn’t lead an alliance out of a paper bag…
Germany has produced one good in the Iron chancellor and since then has been a diplomatic lame duck.