I’m not sure what the controversy is. The ICJ has already ruled that it is likely to be considered a genocide if Israel fails to take certain legally binding steps- which it has not fully complied with. Namely, preventing humanitarian aid that would end the famine Israel purposely caused.
Hafsa Halawa’s comments are perplexing. You gain a powerful voice in congress, but your response is “too little, too late” while implying that the speech itself was mere self-dealing.
I don’t want to take sides here but I can tell you that when 9/11 happened the US in response killed millions. Oct 7th was far worse than 9/11. To have you own citizens kidnapped and brutally raped over and over and murdered all on camera. I can only tell you that no matter who the president of the US was at the time the US response would have been immeasurable.
The definition of “genocide” in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide is so expansive as to make literally anything, no matter how small in scale, when directed against a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, a “genocide.”
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>Article II
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>In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
>
>intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
>
>such:
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>(a) Killing members of the group;
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>(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
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>(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
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>physical destruction in whole or in part;
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>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
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>(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
There’s little doubt in my mind that Israel has committed multiple war crimes in Gaza since October 7, but it’s offensive to suggest that Israel is committing “genocide” as the term is commonly and rationally understood.
Jesus Christ what a pedantic thread this is. Roughly 21,000 women and children being wiped out due to a war, genocide or not its a blight on humanity.
She’s not getting any AIPAC money
That’s all fine and valid, but she should give equal time and vigor to accusing Palestine of the same thing.
Because it is Genocide.
If the world does not stop it despite all the signs then we are all pieces of shit , including myself.
Person describes reality. More at 11.
Listening to her, you would be forgiveness for forgetting that [341,000 tons](https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/) of aid have entered Gaza. To be clear, I can’t stand Netanyahu and oppose many of his actions. There is no question that both Hamas and Israel deserve blame for the terrible suffering of Gazans,, but demonstrably false claims like genocide do more harm than good.
Shes not wrong
Look, I like AOC, I like a lot of her policies and her position on lots of things, but this is just batshit insanity. The ICC didn’t even believe it was genocide. Yes, lots of civilians are dying and that sucks, but it’s Hamas’s use of human shields that’s the leading cause.
So many people arguing semantics. Call it what you want. Israel’s actions are morally unjustifiable no matter what label you give them.
What do you think anthony blinken and biden are trying to do? We dont control a sovereign nation or its elections. We still have treaties and vested interests. We cant turn a blind eye to them entirely or they will be happening everywhere. This is all fabricated by russia and the recent isis attack in moscow is just planned counterintelligence. We warned them ahead of time. They didn’t take it seriously for a reason. It suits their interests in portraying themselves and their state as not being complicit in helping iran and hamas plan this to further destabilize norms. Destabilization is the only real tool in russias toolbox.
But why use Hamas data to argue against your own country and Israel. 30k number and 70% women and children is a made up number. No one knows how many have died. The number 30k is not accurate. Could be more or could be less. It’s irresponsible to throw that number around when you’re trying to be serious.
It is fascinating to see that people blame the country that was victim of a massive terror attack for the war, while simultaneously saying jack shit about urging hamas to surrender.
But hey, i am sure if hamas drove into texas from mexico to shoot up hundreds and hundreds of civilians, kidnap and rape some more, the USs response would be one of kumbaya.
Not since the Second World War have we been witness to such hypocrisy from politicians and western populations at large.
You know full well that had you been in Israel’s position, you would have flattened Gaza and created a death toll well into the hundreds of thousands, using every weapon at your discretion. Nobody would accuse you of “genocide” or “proportionality”.
Starting a war and losing *does not* equal genocide.
Womp womp – Gaza faces the consequences of being a Terrorist government
The number of mouth breathers ITT that have wholly swallowed propaganda with Nary a spark of critical thinking is really quite distressing.
You don’t get to slaughter hundreds of people, cut the heads off babies, then cry genocide. This is what war looks like.
What does she stand for? I’m confused.
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No, that’s not what she said.
> “If you want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like, open your eyes,” she said.
This is what she said.
That title is click a it bullcrap.
And Johnson invited Ben to try to convince us to spend money on him hahaha
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[Here’s the speech in question.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/comments/1bl9ysl/there_is_no_world_in_which_the_forced_famine_of/) At just over 4 minutes, it’s brief, powerful, and to the point.
I’m not sure what the controversy is. The ICJ has already ruled that it is likely to be considered a genocide if Israel fails to take certain legally binding steps- which it has not fully complied with. Namely, preventing humanitarian aid that would end the famine Israel purposely caused.
Hafsa Halawa’s comments are perplexing. You gain a powerful voice in congress, but your response is “too little, too late” while implying that the speech itself was mere self-dealing.
I don’t want to take sides here but I can tell you that when 9/11 happened the US in response killed millions. Oct 7th was far worse than 9/11. To have you own citizens kidnapped and brutally raped over and over and murdered all on camera. I can only tell you that no matter who the president of the US was at the time the US response would have been immeasurable.
The definition of “genocide” in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide is so expansive as to make literally anything, no matter how small in scale, when directed against a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, a “genocide.”
​
>Article II
>
>In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
>
>intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
>
>such:
>
>(a) Killing members of the group;
>
>(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
>
>(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
>
>physical destruction in whole or in part;
>
>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
>
>(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
There’s little doubt in my mind that Israel has committed multiple war crimes in Gaza since October 7, but it’s offensive to suggest that Israel is committing “genocide” as the term is commonly and rationally understood.
Jesus Christ what a pedantic thread this is. Roughly 21,000 women and children being wiped out due to a war, genocide or not its a blight on humanity.
She’s not getting any AIPAC money
That’s all fine and valid, but she should give equal time and vigor to accusing Palestine of the same thing.
Because it is Genocide.
If the world does not stop it despite all the signs then we are all pieces of shit , including myself.
Person describes reality. More at 11.
Listening to her, you would be forgiveness for forgetting that [341,000 tons](https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/) of aid have entered Gaza. To be clear, I can’t stand Netanyahu and oppose many of his actions. There is no question that both Hamas and Israel deserve blame for the terrible suffering of Gazans,, but demonstrably false claims like genocide do more harm than good.
Shes not wrong
Look, I like AOC, I like a lot of her policies and her position on lots of things, but this is just batshit insanity. The ICC didn’t even believe it was genocide. Yes, lots of civilians are dying and that sucks, but it’s Hamas’s use of human shields that’s the leading cause.
So many people arguing semantics. Call it what you want. Israel’s actions are morally unjustifiable no matter what label you give them.
What do you think anthony blinken and biden are trying to do? We dont control a sovereign nation or its elections. We still have treaties and vested interests. We cant turn a blind eye to them entirely or they will be happening everywhere. This is all fabricated by russia and the recent isis attack in moscow is just planned counterintelligence. We warned them ahead of time. They didn’t take it seriously for a reason. It suits their interests in portraying themselves and their state as not being complicit in helping iran and hamas plan this to further destabilize norms. Destabilization is the only real tool in russias toolbox.
But why use Hamas data to argue against your own country and Israel. 30k number and 70% women and children is a made up number. No one knows how many have died. The number 30k is not accurate. Could be more or could be less. It’s irresponsible to throw that number around when you’re trying to be serious.
It is fascinating to see that people blame the country that was victim of a massive terror attack for the war, while simultaneously saying jack shit about urging hamas to surrender.
But hey, i am sure if hamas drove into texas from mexico to shoot up hundreds and hundreds of civilians, kidnap and rape some more, the USs response would be one of kumbaya.
Not since the Second World War have we been witness to such hypocrisy from politicians and western populations at large.
You know full well that had you been in Israel’s position, you would have flattened Gaza and created a death toll well into the hundreds of thousands, using every weapon at your discretion. Nobody would accuse you of “genocide” or “proportionality”.
Starting a war and losing *does not* equal genocide.
Womp womp – Gaza faces the consequences of being a Terrorist government
The number of mouth breathers ITT that have wholly swallowed propaganda with Nary a spark of critical thinking is really quite distressing.
You don’t get to slaughter hundreds of people, cut the heads off babies, then cry genocide. This is what war looks like.
What does she stand for? I’m confused.
This comment section has all the top IDF rhetoric one after another. Very organic.