Is it still basically required to be fluent in German for obtaining a technical job in Germany?
If so, Germany needs to drop the requirement that, to get an Aufenthaltserlaubnis, you have to have a lease agreement for a specific apartment already in hand. It’s hard enough for native Germans to find an apartment- what landlord is going to say “sure, I’ll sign a contract with you, Mr. Foreigner, for a time starting months from now, even though you haven’t even gotten a visa yet.” And what tenant is going to want to agree to an apartment he’s never personally inspected?
I saw that requirement on the Visa application and basically gave up on the idea. I can prove I have the financial resources so I won’t be homeless and a burden on the German people- the German government should trust me to be able to find an apartment if they are going to trust me to work in a skilled position there.
I doubt if they can attract even 10% of these with the stringent visa requirements and crappy salary offered compared to other countries.
Plus insisting on knowing the language can be a real bummer too.
Try reducing the taxes on salaries first. Otherwise you can only dream.
Currently working towards being one of those skilled workers. I have experience in public administration and getting my second bachelors in IT. Trying to learn the language as well to hopefully move there within the next 2 years.
make it easier for skilled workers to get a stable living situation and visa in order to not be a burden for their employe👍 obviously it wont be as easy as an EU citizen but it would help. getting even a flat is so stressful for germans and EU citizens already
Why would “skilled workers from abroad” (and I’m talking about single cases, let alone hundreds of thousands) want to move to Germany? It’s not exactly a country that is known for its openness, its high living standards or adequate salaries.
Nice, after depleting the EU-reserves we now need to tap non-EU sources as even people from EE dont want to work in Germany anymore.
P.S. I’m all for a more diverse Germany, but perhaps one should think of the motives behind pushing easier immigration: keeping wages low, to keep Germanys export economy happy..
Skilled workers are often not attracted by high taxation and high costs of living. Good luck, Germany.
Why don’t they just make it more attractive to have Children?
Have they figured out how can they they keep all those people? With this CoL and high taxes. Even Estonia seems like a paradise compared to Germany.
PS and I don’t even mention that raging housing crisis. When you need to (fucking literally) spend a year of your life just to find a flat which is liveable and does it take half of your “skilled” salary.
Insanity
Is this news just a Yahoo Finance summary of a report in a business magazine quoting a government official stating things that were previously announced in the coalition agreement? What’s new, just the 400,000 per year numerical target for skilled worker immigration?
Serious question: what kind of paths to Germany, if any, would exist for a secondary English teacher hoping to have an escape plan from the potential fallout of the 2024 elections?
Me me me me me.
Hopefully I can be one of them soon-ish! Applying to a master’s for Winter 22/23 right now in mech engineering.
I’ll gladly take them up on that offer, how I go about it I have no clue
I come as skilled worker few years ago. It’s a awful experience. Met many skilled workers that already left Germany after only one or two years. Housing crisis, hard and weird requirements for visa, high taxes, not an english friendly country, very closed society.
The problem is that Germany is not flexible, it has an archaic, bureaucratic outdated public system and mindset, you are only welcomed if you do 100% what is already in place because the country doesn’t want change anything.
Germany needs those workers, not the opposite. The best ones will continue to either come and leave after a short period or will just go directly to more open and friendly countries for skilled immigrants.
Does anyone know any good websites to start looking for jobs? My German language qualification is B1 and I just got done with my Bachelors.
We have to, because the workers we educate ourselves can’t do shit. Source: I live in germany and my education was shit.
Yeah, right. I know that even maybe more would be willing to come to Germany, but the really annoying thing is that on each step they make you suffer and regret trying to settle in Germany with enourmous, impractical and insensible bureaucratic rules that are hostile towards foreigners. The fact that so many immigrants live in Germany doesn’t change this fact. So for anyone interested in not being roadblocked for each step of settling down in a country, there are better and more welcoming alternatives.
German politics still believie that foreign people want to pay their taxes in Germany… but not Even 3 of 5 people will Ever do it
But must learn German fluently first!
Also, I’m happy to stay, but give me a break with this B1 nonsense and start acting like the multi cultural country you have already become. In California I can get applications in numerous languages, I would hope that Germany can adopt a multi lingual approach
We’re so stupid: We think they grow on trees.
I came here as a skilled worker and I am unable to find an apartment for two months. Landlords don’t even reply back to people from foreign countries most of the time. This is why there are a lot of housing scams going on.
Also probation period being 6 months is ridiculous, you are not guaranteed to get another job because Germans want you to speak fluently, in these 6 months you don’t know what will happen next and suddenly you could not land a next job and go back to your own country with the less money and wasted time.
Where will they live?
Language barrier – ’nuff said
Germany needs to cut a whole lotta red tape – good luck with that 😂😂
That’s what years of destroying your own education system gets you.
They might need to encourage some officials at the ausländerbehörden and the bürgeramts to even CONSIDER helping people whose German is not perfect or, god forbid, offer some of those services in English??
I think the most here don’t understand, what kind of a deficiency of workers we have here in Germany.
Our problem is we have now to to many high quality workers in the country, everyone wants to study in Germany, and that is now our problem, we don’t have very less middle quality, educated workers anymore, the most are over educated.
For example the Deutsche Bahn, will hire only this year 120.000 new employees, but find mostly only 80.000 or less skilled workers. Because the most Germans don’t wants to work on Sunday, at Night or on a holiday. The lack of train drivers are higher than of nurses, now. So maybe in 5 years, every 10. Train or more is fall out, because there is no one, that could drive this train.
Also truck drivers, we have a huge lack of it, also every year we need 50.000 of it outside from Germany.
For example absurd extention now, a car factory and a supermarket giant fight over the truck drivers, which they must now share, because of the lack, the car factory paid 200 cash for each driver, if they today works for one day only for them.
The most lack, which the society only knew is nurses, we need 50.000 of it each year from outside of Germany.
Than Handymans, for example Plumber, electrician and so on, also there, in the whole, we need 100.000 skilled workers in this kind of business, from foreign countries, mostly each year. If we want something repaired under a year in the future, today you must mostly wait a few months to get something repaired, because it is no one there, no people that could make the job, it is a huge lack of workers, the workers can choose their jobs.
For 10 jobs it gives mostly only 1 applicant. So in this kind of work business, the companies fight about applicants, or gives a high contract sign bonus, like till 10.000 €, only to sign by this company and not the other.
Sure, then:
* become a more English-friendly country
* reshape your school system to be more foreign friendly. This includes not telling foreign parents that their kids can’t go to Gymnasium “because they are not Germans”. And includes heavily reducing the weight of German language
* speed up mass transit systems so that people can live farther from their workplace, so they have a chance of finding a cheaper place to live. Just making taller buildings inside cities won’t be enough
Yeah good luck with that.. I’m German but have lived in many countries, USA, Sweden, France and more. Even as a German the experience getting settled here is awful compared to the other places. And if you don’t know German it will just be worse. So many things need fixing before this country will become attractive to skilled labor..
I don’t care either way (as a recent-ish immigrant) but please build ~~some~~ a lot more housing in urban areas.
Workers will not come if they cannot integrate and for a life that asks them to live day to day without any incentive. This was acceptable maybe in the past but there are higher expectations for a life of an individual. Why should they come if there is no promise of good integration, people feel left out, mistreated and everywhere there is a wall that they hit? It is very difficult to grasp such a complex system, nevertheless to live in it when you come from outside.
Without empathy and working together with the foreigners to meet them in the middle this immigration will be inefficient. No one wants to come just to work, and more respect should be given to people that come and contribute to the system in need for workers. Those people have the same needs to live a peaceful life and to integrate. However, as it stands, it seems to look for readily available workers that are already integrated, which is impossible. One has to understand that it has a need and should meet those people at a common point, not look down upon them like some kind of side hustlers with minimal needs.
It just isn’t going to work this way. People are much more emancipated than that. They’ll stay for a while until they hit the wall one too many times. It is a shame as it has a very high potential to grow and help itself and people respect it as a country. However, seems like it does not want to work with its immigrants more than strictly what is in its interest.
The only way i would see this working is if foreign workers would be paid premiums for their jobs. Sort of like consultants, which is what they should be considered, given the cold wall between the integration system and the parallel framework in which they realistically have to live.
The taxes are too high and pretty much impossible to understand how it works.
The housing market is a joke.
Source : been there, going away next week.
All the Indian tech dudes be like : 👀🤝
No Germany no !
Stop this , you clearly have no idea what you are doing.
You have to first learn to treat human beings equally if they come there .
If you can’t see them as equals then it’s better that you don’t invite them.
Because people will go like crazy..then you will complain about them , then it will effect someone else …
Humanitarian disaster is already happening in Europe with the migration..
No more auslanders for you ….
Edit : Humble request from an auslander who has lived and worked in Germany instead of doing all this , please try to treat the existing human beings there now properly and include them in a society , then half the economic problems that this article is talking about will get solved .
Everybody is mentioning housing problems but how about rules for remote working? I have to stay in germany for six months otherwise I loose my residence even though I am a blue card owner. I have to live in “Kassel” which is worse than 3rd world country.
If your wife did not stay in Germany for 6 months? Yup your tax class changes and you have to pay for the previous tax difference back to finanzamt.
It feels like Germany just says they need skilled workers but they are trying their best to not get it also.
Hah, good luck with this. Low pay, high taxes, money disappearing into a pension insurance that they’ll never see, suffocating red tape for everything, English -averse society, foreigners generally looked upon as 2nd class citizens (even the German-Turks who’ve been here for generations), implicit racism embedded into people who refuse to change.. Germany’s a fine country, but not one that half a million skilled workers from across the world will flock to willingly.
I think that is a good idea, because many German people don’t like to work.
I thought Germany was receiving doctors, lawyears, engineers, .. by millions these past years?
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Is it still basically required to be fluent in German for obtaining a technical job in Germany?
If so, Germany needs to drop the requirement that, to get an Aufenthaltserlaubnis, you have to have a lease agreement for a specific apartment already in hand. It’s hard enough for native Germans to find an apartment- what landlord is going to say “sure, I’ll sign a contract with you, Mr. Foreigner, for a time starting months from now, even though you haven’t even gotten a visa yet.” And what tenant is going to want to agree to an apartment he’s never personally inspected?
I saw that requirement on the Visa application and basically gave up on the idea. I can prove I have the financial resources so I won’t be homeless and a burden on the German people- the German government should trust me to be able to find an apartment if they are going to trust me to work in a skilled position there.
I doubt if they can attract even 10% of these with the stringent visa requirements and crappy salary offered compared to other countries.
Plus insisting on knowing the language can be a real bummer too.
Try reducing the taxes on salaries first. Otherwise you can only dream.
Currently working towards being one of those skilled workers. I have experience in public administration and getting my second bachelors in IT. Trying to learn the language as well to hopefully move there within the next 2 years.
make it easier for skilled workers to get a stable living situation and visa in order to not be a burden for their employe👍 obviously it wont be as easy as an EU citizen but it would help. getting even a flat is so stressful for germans and EU citizens already
Why would “skilled workers from abroad” (and I’m talking about single cases, let alone hundreds of thousands) want to move to Germany? It’s not exactly a country that is known for its openness, its high living standards or adequate salaries.
Nice, after depleting the EU-reserves we now need to tap non-EU sources as even people from EE dont want to work in Germany anymore.
P.S. I’m all for a more diverse Germany, but perhaps one should think of the motives behind pushing easier immigration: keeping wages low, to keep Germanys export economy happy..
Skilled workers are often not attracted by high taxation and high costs of living. Good luck, Germany.
Why don’t they just make it more attractive to have Children?
Have they figured out how can they they keep all those people? With this CoL and high taxes. Even Estonia seems like a paradise compared to Germany.
PS and I don’t even mention that raging housing crisis. When you need to (fucking literally) spend a year of your life just to find a flat which is liveable and does it take half of your “skilled” salary.
Insanity
Is this news just a Yahoo Finance summary of a report in a business magazine quoting a government official stating things that were previously announced in the coalition agreement? What’s new, just the 400,000 per year numerical target for skilled worker immigration?
Serious question: what kind of paths to Germany, if any, would exist for a secondary English teacher hoping to have an escape plan from the potential fallout of the 2024 elections?
Me me me me me.
Hopefully I can be one of them soon-ish! Applying to a master’s for Winter 22/23 right now in mech engineering.
I’ll gladly take them up on that offer, how I go about it I have no clue
I come as skilled worker few years ago. It’s a awful experience. Met many skilled workers that already left Germany after only one or two years. Housing crisis, hard and weird requirements for visa, high taxes, not an english friendly country, very closed society.
The problem is that Germany is not flexible, it has an archaic, bureaucratic outdated public system and mindset, you are only welcomed if you do 100% what is already in place because the country doesn’t want change anything.
Germany needs those workers, not the opposite. The best ones will continue to either come and leave after a short period or will just go directly to more open and friendly countries for skilled immigrants.
Does anyone know any good websites to start looking for jobs? My German language qualification is B1 and I just got done with my Bachelors.
We have to, because the workers we educate ourselves can’t do shit. Source: I live in germany and my education was shit.
Yeah, right. I know that even maybe more would be willing to come to Germany, but the really annoying thing is that on each step they make you suffer and regret trying to settle in Germany with enourmous, impractical and insensible bureaucratic rules that are hostile towards foreigners. The fact that so many immigrants live in Germany doesn’t change this fact. So for anyone interested in not being roadblocked for each step of settling down in a country, there are better and more welcoming alternatives.
German politics still believie that foreign people want to pay their taxes in Germany… but not Even 3 of 5 people will Ever do it
But must learn German fluently first!
Also, I’m happy to stay, but give me a break with this B1 nonsense and start acting like the multi cultural country you have already become. In California I can get applications in numerous languages, I would hope that Germany can adopt a multi lingual approach
We’re so stupid: We think they grow on trees.
I came here as a skilled worker and I am unable to find an apartment for two months. Landlords don’t even reply back to people from foreign countries most of the time. This is why there are a lot of housing scams going on.
Also probation period being 6 months is ridiculous, you are not guaranteed to get another job because Germans want you to speak fluently, in these 6 months you don’t know what will happen next and suddenly you could not land a next job and go back to your own country with the less money and wasted time.
Where will they live?
Language barrier – ’nuff said
Germany needs to cut a whole lotta red tape – good luck with that 😂😂
That’s what years of destroying your own education system gets you.
They might need to encourage some officials at the ausländerbehörden and the bürgeramts to even CONSIDER helping people whose German is not perfect or, god forbid, offer some of those services in English??
I think the most here don’t understand, what kind of a deficiency of workers we have here in Germany.
Our problem is we have now to to many high quality workers in the country, everyone wants to study in Germany, and that is now our problem, we don’t have very less middle quality, educated workers anymore, the most are over educated.
For example the Deutsche Bahn, will hire only this year 120.000 new employees, but find mostly only 80.000 or less skilled workers. Because the most Germans don’t wants to work on Sunday, at Night or on a holiday. The lack of train drivers are higher than of nurses, now. So maybe in 5 years, every 10. Train or more is fall out, because there is no one, that could drive this train.
Also truck drivers, we have a huge lack of it, also every year we need 50.000 of it outside from Germany.
For example absurd extention now, a car factory and a supermarket giant fight over the truck drivers, which they must now share, because of the lack, the car factory paid 200 cash for each driver, if they today works for one day only for them.
The most lack, which the society only knew is nurses, we need 50.000 of it each year from outside of Germany.
Than Handymans, for example Plumber, electrician and so on, also there, in the whole, we need 100.000 skilled workers in this kind of business, from foreign countries, mostly each year. If we want something repaired under a year in the future, today you must mostly wait a few months to get something repaired, because it is no one there, no people that could make the job, it is a huge lack of workers, the workers can choose their jobs.
For 10 jobs it gives mostly only 1 applicant. So in this kind of work business, the companies fight about applicants, or gives a high contract sign bonus, like till 10.000 €, only to sign by this company and not the other.
Sure, then:
* become a more English-friendly country
* reshape your school system to be more foreign friendly. This includes not telling foreign parents that their kids can’t go to Gymnasium “because they are not Germans”. And includes heavily reducing the weight of German language
* speed up mass transit systems so that people can live farther from their workplace, so they have a chance of finding a cheaper place to live. Just making taller buildings inside cities won’t be enough
Yeah good luck with that.. I’m German but have lived in many countries, USA, Sweden, France and more. Even as a German the experience getting settled here is awful compared to the other places. And if you don’t know German it will just be worse. So many things need fixing before this country will become attractive to skilled labor..
I don’t care either way (as a recent-ish immigrant) but please build ~~some~~ a lot more housing in urban areas.
Workers will not come if they cannot integrate and for a life that asks them to live day to day without any incentive. This was acceptable maybe in the past but there are higher expectations for a life of an individual. Why should they come if there is no promise of good integration, people feel left out, mistreated and everywhere there is a wall that they hit? It is very difficult to grasp such a complex system, nevertheless to live in it when you come from outside.
Without empathy and working together with the foreigners to meet them in the middle this immigration will be inefficient. No one wants to come just to work, and more respect should be given to people that come and contribute to the system in need for workers. Those people have the same needs to live a peaceful life and to integrate. However, as it stands, it seems to look for readily available workers that are already integrated, which is impossible. One has to understand that it has a need and should meet those people at a common point, not look down upon them like some kind of side hustlers with minimal needs.
It just isn’t going to work this way. People are much more emancipated than that. They’ll stay for a while until they hit the wall one too many times. It is a shame as it has a very high potential to grow and help itself and people respect it as a country. However, seems like it does not want to work with its immigrants more than strictly what is in its interest.
The only way i would see this working is if foreign workers would be paid premiums for their jobs. Sort of like consultants, which is what they should be considered, given the cold wall between the integration system and the parallel framework in which they realistically have to live.
The taxes are too high and pretty much impossible to understand how it works.
The housing market is a joke.
Source : been there, going away next week.
All the Indian tech dudes be like : 👀🤝
No Germany no !
Stop this , you clearly have no idea what you are doing.
You have to first learn to treat human beings equally if they come there .
If you can’t see them as equals then it’s better that you don’t invite them.
Because people will go like crazy..then you will complain about them , then it will effect someone else …
Humanitarian disaster is already happening in Europe with the migration..
No more auslanders for you ….
Edit : Humble request from an auslander who has lived and worked in Germany instead of doing all this , please try to treat the existing human beings there now properly and include them in a society , then half the economic problems that this article is talking about will get solved .
Everybody is mentioning housing problems but how about rules for remote working? I have to stay in germany for six months otherwise I loose my residence even though I am a blue card owner. I have to live in “Kassel” which is worse than 3rd world country.
If your wife did not stay in Germany for 6 months? Yup your tax class changes and you have to pay for the previous tax difference back to finanzamt.
It feels like Germany just says they need skilled workers but they are trying their best to not get it also.
Hah, good luck with this. Low pay, high taxes, money disappearing into a pension insurance that they’ll never see, suffocating red tape for everything, English -averse society, foreigners generally looked upon as 2nd class citizens (even the German-Turks who’ve been here for generations), implicit racism embedded into people who refuse to change.. Germany’s a fine country, but not one that half a million skilled workers from across the world will flock to willingly.
I think that is a good idea, because many German people don’t like to work.
I thought Germany was receiving doctors, lawyears, engineers, .. by millions these past years?