If Europe concentrated its military power and industrial might together it could easily have the most powerful military on Earth. It just needs the will to make it so.
On one hand we have high politicians like Tusk and Europes armies saying that Europe is not ready, but on other hand we have Reddit armchair generals who tell us Russians can’t go through Ukrainians so Russia has no chance with Europe.
So who is correct?
With all the respect to mr. Tusk. It’s been 2 years we are listening to those warnings. 2 years is enough time to create a solution. If there is no solution then real problem is not Russia but EU. So maybe it’s time to move from “Russia is a problem” to “what we’re gonna do about it”.
Fully understand it’s not only up to Polish PM but it seems there are like 10 PMs rotating with statements like this and it goes like that for 2 years. With maybe Macron being the only exception sadly it always ends with some bold statement with no follow up.
Even the bots are tired of brigading at this point. We get it Poland, you are an extension of the US in EU and weapons must be sold, profits must be made.
Tusk is right. There needs to be a mindset change that war is a strong possibility.
countries are getting ready right now though.
– Poland is buying 500 HIMARS, 1000 tanks
– Romania is getting F-35s, modern tanks and already bought HIMARS
– Lithuania is buying armored vehicles and HIMARS with ATACMS
– Estonia is buying HIMARS
– Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, UK, Czechia are also either already operating F-35 or in the process of acquiring them
repeating we’re not ready doesn’t make procurement go faster. The bottleneck is how fast can the worlds weapons manufacturers (no.1 US, no2. France) deliver. All up to them now.
Not possible. Another big news ?
There is already war in Europe, there’s a genocide going on and we all know who is responsible, why is Europe not responding appropriately?
This starts to become a pattern. One could think Poland is trying to bait Putin into attacking with how often this statement has been used by now.
Will Tusk support an integrated European army though?
Nah, I don’t think Russia can attack us. Really, why are westerners so scared?
We need a full EU army.
I dont buy this. Russia’s army is shit. I’m willing to wager either Germany or France could take them on alone.
But of course, they wont be alone. The entirety of NATO will be at their side.
At least in WW1 and WW2, the Entente and the Axis had allies (each other). In Putin’s war, it will litterally be just Russia. And unlike WW1 Germany and WW2 Germany, Russia will NOT be able to hold its own.
Wow, our daily ‘War warning’ article was a little late today. It’s afternoon already!
Russias army is running out of shells, russia is running out of personell, everyone is escaping russia, ukraine is holding russia off.
But also WHOLE of europe isnt ready for war, we need to do this and that.
Which is it because im honestly confused? Decide on a narative and stick to it please. 🙄
From an outside perspective, the EU really needs to get its military in shape because Americans are starting to get fed up with sending our tax dollars over there, and with Poland and Finland being the only two EU countries that are truly prepared, any future war could look bleak without US support.
Well some parts of europe are clearly not ready, and never fully will be, simply out of size of those countries in question.
Only when Europe is cohesive and united, countries like Baltic states have the chance to survive against even the most inept attempt of aggression by russian military, and expect solid and proactive resolve in their defence.
Speed bump doctrine of Nato for those countries clearly isn’t going to fly after 2022, but that change in doctrine clearly requires additional troop deployments, who is going to provide that?
Countries like Moldova that are entirely dependent on Ukraine’s survival are also worth mentioning, and partly on Tusk’s mind too, but it really isn’t hard security intrest issue for Poland,as more is for Romania and Black sea countries.
Europe needs to wake up. Now Ukrainians guard the Europe, but if the Ukraine fails – Poland is going to be the next victim of russian aggression. Especially if Americans elect trump.
Ah yes, classic Reddit. Love and absolutely respect Tusk now, even though you used to hate his guts not too long ago. Yes, even a broken clock is right twice a day, that doesn’t mean he is correct in every aspwct though.
No problem. When tanks will roll, Polish farmers will just block the border, right? It’s grain the EU should be warned about.
Stop warmongering, nobody wants a war. Let tusk and other leader send their sons in the war, i aint dying for them
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Well, it’s true.
If Europe concentrated its military power and industrial might together it could easily have the most powerful military on Earth. It just needs the will to make it so.
On one hand we have high politicians like Tusk and Europes armies saying that Europe is not ready, but on other hand we have Reddit armchair generals who tell us Russians can’t go through Ukrainians so Russia has no chance with Europe.
So who is correct?
With all the respect to mr. Tusk. It’s been 2 years we are listening to those warnings. 2 years is enough time to create a solution. If there is no solution then real problem is not Russia but EU. So maybe it’s time to move from “Russia is a problem” to “what we’re gonna do about it”.
Fully understand it’s not only up to Polish PM but it seems there are like 10 PMs rotating with statements like this and it goes like that for 2 years. With maybe Macron being the only exception sadly it always ends with some bold statement with no follow up.
Even the bots are tired of brigading at this point. We get it Poland, you are an extension of the US in EU and weapons must be sold, profits must be made.
Tusk is right. There needs to be a mindset change that war is a strong possibility.
countries are getting ready right now though.
– Poland is buying 500 HIMARS, 1000 tanks
– Romania is getting F-35s, modern tanks and already bought HIMARS
– Lithuania is buying armored vehicles and HIMARS with ATACMS
– Estonia is buying HIMARS
– Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, UK, Czechia are also either already operating F-35 or in the process of acquiring them
repeating we’re not ready doesn’t make procurement go faster. The bottleneck is how fast can the worlds weapons manufacturers (no.1 US, no2. France) deliver. All up to them now.
Not possible. Another big news ?
There is already war in Europe, there’s a genocide going on and we all know who is responsible, why is Europe not responding appropriately?
This starts to become a pattern. One could think Poland is trying to bait Putin into attacking with how often this statement has been used by now.
Will Tusk support an integrated European army though?
Nah, I don’t think Russia can attack us. Really, why are westerners so scared?
We need a full EU army.
I dont buy this. Russia’s army is shit. I’m willing to wager either Germany or France could take them on alone.
But of course, they wont be alone. The entirety of NATO will be at their side.
At least in WW1 and WW2, the Entente and the Axis had allies (each other). In Putin’s war, it will litterally be just Russia. And unlike WW1 Germany and WW2 Germany, Russia will NOT be able to hold its own.
Wow, our daily ‘War warning’ article was a little late today. It’s afternoon already!
Russias army is running out of shells, russia is running out of personell, everyone is escaping russia, ukraine is holding russia off.
But also WHOLE of europe isnt ready for war, we need to do this and that.
Which is it because im honestly confused? Decide on a narative and stick to it please. 🙄
Wait a minute, two days ago NATO were destroying russia even without help from the USA. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/26/russia-war-nato-usa-troops-tanks-missiles-numbers-ukraine/
Stop picking fights then
From an outside perspective, the EU really needs to get its military in shape because Americans are starting to get fed up with sending our tax dollars over there, and with Poland and Finland being the only two EU countries that are truly prepared, any future war could look bleak without US support.
Well some parts of europe are clearly not ready, and never fully will be, simply out of size of those countries in question.
Only when Europe is cohesive and united, countries like Baltic states have the chance to survive against even the most inept attempt of aggression by russian military, and expect solid and proactive resolve in their defence.
Speed bump doctrine of Nato for those countries clearly isn’t going to fly after 2022, but that change in doctrine clearly requires additional troop deployments, who is going to provide that?
Countries like Moldova that are entirely dependent on Ukraine’s survival are also worth mentioning, and partly on Tusk’s mind too, but it really isn’t hard security intrest issue for Poland,as more is for Romania and Black sea countries.
Europe needs to wake up. Now Ukrainians guard the Europe, but if the Ukraine fails – Poland is going to be the next victim of russian aggression. Especially if Americans elect trump.
Ah yes, classic Reddit. Love and absolutely respect Tusk now, even though you used to hate his guts not too long ago. Yes, even a broken clock is right twice a day, that doesn’t mean he is correct in every aspwct though.
No problem. When tanks will roll, Polish farmers will just block the border, right? It’s grain the EU should be warned about.
Stop warmongering, nobody wants a war. Let tusk and other leader send their sons in the war, i aint dying for them