On March 28, Polish-Ukrainian intergovernmental consultations took place in Warsaw.
These negotiations in Kyiv had considerable hopes. Recall that in addition to the already existing restrictions on Ukrainian agricultural imports, the Polish government has already announced the expansion of the list of prohibitions.
In particular, it is suggested to add eggs, chicken, honey, apple juice and frozen fruits (primarily raspberries) to the list of prohibited products.
And most importantly, after consultations with protesting farmers, the Polish government announced support for the idea of a complete ban on the transit of Ukrainian grain, corn and sunflower. They say that after these goods cross Polish territory, they allegedly “go back” and are sold on the Polish market.
It should be noted that the absurdity of such accusations was stated not only by Ukrainian government officials, but even Polish agrarian experts. However, this did not convince Polish farmers, and the Polish government did not argue with them on the eve of local elections.
All these circumstances show how important the meeting of the heads of government has become.
However, at the same time – and the fact that there were not so many chances for breakthrough agreements.
That’s how it turned out. The joint statement approved by the two governments only states that the parties “confirmed that trade liberalization measures should be formed in such a way as to have a positive impact on the economy of the Republic of Poland and other EU member states, as well as Ukraine, without destabilizing their markets, and that jointly developed mechanisms should control trade stability, taking into account the change in the security situation in Ukraine.”
At the same time, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal once again proposed to solve the problem of access to the Polish market of prohibited Ukrainian grain, corn and sunflower through the verification and licensing mechanism.
This mechanism, in fact, gives the Polish side the opportunity to independently determine how much of these goods it is ready to allow into this market. It is not surprising that Kyiv has already begun to apply such a mechanism in trade with other countries that previously imposed an embargo on Ukrainian grain.
However, this time, official Warsaw did not give principled consent to this mechanism. EuroPravda sources suggest that this is rather a political issue, and therefore the appropriate consent will be given either after the completion of the local elections, which will be held in April, or after the June elections to the European Parliament.
Despite this, Ukrainian negotiators generally assess the meeting in Warsaw rather positively.
“It’s good that this meeting finally took place. It is bad that it did not take place earlier,” says Mykola Solskyi, Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food.
A day earlier, he participated in more than five-hour consultations with representatives of Polish agriculture and Polish agricultural producers. “We have become twice as close to a compromise with Poland on most agrarian issues than we were before these negotiations,” he notes.
> And at the end of the negotiations, he made a huge speech for some reason about the Hadiach Union (1658. – Ed.), and then suddenly said that if we do not agree to Polish conditions, then let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need,” Alex Lissitsa describes the course of the negotiations.
Wake up baby, daily anti-Polish/Poland post by Ukraine’s propaganda just dropped on r/europe.
>And at the end of the negotiations, he made a huge speech for some reason about the Hadiach Union (1658. – Ed.), and then suddenly said that if we do not agree to Polish conditions, then let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need,”
This guy is probably posting here on a regular basis. I can sense same powerful cocaine vibes in what he said as from many Polish redditors.
Honestly Ukrainians just move to different countries, pls dont come to Poland
It looks like the PiS was more pro-Ukrainian than the new government.
I don’t know why the EU keeps antagonizing Poland when they are literally the first line of defense against Russia. Maybe first and last given the mindset and state of Germany and it’s armed forces, respectively.
I mean, the Ukrainians are far from blameless on this issue. They kept the names of Nazi collaborators in Bandera street and Shukhevych stadium despite protests from Polish diplomacy, called us traitors and supporters of Putin, blocked our transports all while Ukrainian citizens receive welfare money and preferential treatment in our country.
Don’t get me wrong; I hate Russia and I believe Poland should still send supplies of ammunition to keep the Russians away but our interests are separate.
> “It is very difficult to talk with partners who do not keep agreements,” said Deputy Minister Michal Kolodziejczak, who is participating in talks with the Ukrainian side. He explained that on March 4 there was a pledge made by Ukraine’s Deputy Economy Minister Taras Kachka in an interview with the Financial Times, where he said that if Poland caused a reduction in grain imports from Russia (to the EU), they would be able to reduce imports of their products to Poland and the EU.
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> “We believed that this was a real commitment, it is difficult to negotiate if we see that now Deputy Minister Kaczka is backing away from these words,” – Kolodziejczak said.
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> A signed agreement between the Ministry of Agriculture and agricultural organizations was presented last week. The provisions mainly concern maintaining the embargo on agricultural products from Ukraine and regulating trade relations with the country.
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> One of the points of the agreement stipulates that the Minister of Agriculture is to request Prime Minister Donald Tusk to stop the transit of embargoed agricultural products from Ukraine through Polish territory.
>
> This was addressed at a press conference at the Agriculture Ministry by Deputy Minister Kolodziejczak.
>
> “We need this transit to be severely limited in order to put the situation in order on its market, we will effectively pursue this, this is what the next talks will serve to achieve,” – Kolodziejczak said.
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> Transit is currently reduced, he said, and we are most concerned with corn and wheat imports. He assessed that low grain prices are the result of grain sales by Russia, but also by Ukraine. In his opinion, Poland is in a very difficult situation. He assured that the Ministry of Agriculture will do everything possible to honor its commitments to Polish farmers.
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> Siekierski: talks with Ukraine on food trade are difficult
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> “There have been many bilateral talks with Ukraine. These have been difficult talks (…) the Ukrainian side is very keen to maintain (…) the terms of trade liberalization that have been proposed by the European Commission believing that this is a significant aid to Ukraine, with which we should agree. We in the Ministry of Agriculture talk about the need to separate humanitarian aid, military aid, or economic support as a whole from such a sectoral approach.” – Siekierski said Wednesday during a press conference.
>
> The minister explained that “it must not be the case that farmers, mainly of border countries, are burdened with too high a cost in terms of trade liberalization.” He noted that the Polish side is holding talks on licensing, among other issues, “in order to bring about a certain balance, so that the conditions are favorable for both sides.”
>
> He reported that on Wednesday at the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, the ministry’s leadership will meet with Ukraine’s minister and deputy minister of agriculture, their advisors, and there will also be representatives of plant producers’ associations. On the Polish side, there will be a similar lineup. “We will discuss bilateral relations in order to prepare some input for the discussion tomorrow, at the level of the joint meeting of the Ukrainian and Polish governments,” – The minister said.
>
> Asked about talks on licensing imports of products from Ukraine, Siekierski explained that licensing is a form of trade where licenses are issued by the Ukrainian side. “We have had far-reaching talks, but we also have significant differences, because the Ukrainian side talks about licensing only those products that are embargoed, while we would like to cover other products, for example raspberries. The Ukrainians reply that they will then include Polish frozen vegetables in the licensing.” – he explained.
>
> Siekierski added that analyses by the Institute of Public Finance and the Institute of Agricultural and Food Economics show that our country’s market situation is more influenced by low grain prices on world markets and Russia’s aggressive grain trade policy or, for example, high grain harvests.
I wonder if he sniffed something in the meantime.
UE is regulated market. It was negotiated, introduced and confirmed in may treaties. Now, some UE technocrats want to change it without any negotiation or treaty changes. They allowed Ukraine to export to EU a lot of agricultural products without limits and check.
Many UE farmers start to protest. EU governments take these farmers’ issues seriously and want to bring back previous status quo.
Ukraine is not in UE and it not entitled to anything. It want to sell anything in EU for profits of firms mostly register in Cyprus. Some of the are even connected to Russia.
It is far easier to give them weapon and some money to for current expenditure, than to allow such exception.
I like how Poles are ok with import and transition of Russian goods but not Ukrainian ones
In Poland there are elections soon:
1. local / municipal
2. europarliament
3. President next year.
Present coalition won by slim margin, and people are already blaming Tusk for not fulfilling his electoral promised. He promised “this time for sure”, to solve 100 issues in the first 100 days, and delivered like 10% – and not the most important ones.
On the other hand farmers and those dependent on farming are a huge group of voters. And they have tractors and other heavy equipment.
It is just easier for everyone to assume, that right now farmers run Poland.
No, it’s not escalating. I was worried it would be shown like this. Nobody is happy with Kołodziejczak in Poland (maybe besides some minor farmers’ support). It’s a surprise he’s even in the government.
Polish newspapers already say that the agreement was so very close. Almost already done. But he’s an idiot so he destroyed it. I know before the elections some people were even saying that he’s paid by Russians.
So please stop with these big words. I can see many of you are very emotional recently. It will probably be solved soon. Many politicians already say that he should be excluded from the negotiations from the start.
Best regards from Poland. We are still your allies, not enemies.
European Pravda is another news site provided for your by FSB agents like one exposed last week?
>And at the end of the negotiations, he made a huge speech for some reason about the Hadiach Union (1658. – Ed.), and then suddenly said that if we do not agree to Polish conditions, then let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need,” Alex Lissitsa describes the course of the negotiations.
It’s baffling that some Poles STILL don’t get that any Ukrainians which “*let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need*” it’s Ukrainians which then start or will start to kill Poles or work against them as it was with Ukrainians under USSR-controlled/indoctrinate in the 1930s.
Therefore, this Kolodziejczak literally wished AT LEAST so that Russia created on Poland border North Korea analog, and more plausible – death of millions of Poles in WW3.
And overall, WTF Poland and EU are doing?
How so big bureaucratic structures which cannot even create simple emergency institution which would looking for, bought out, processed, resell Ukrainian agricultural products from territories of dissatisfied countries to non-EU countries expecting to effectively solve much more complex emergency problems in the future?
TL; DR Poland continue helping putin to kill more of us here, in Ukraine.
As a Pole and not a big Kołodziejczak’s fan I think this situation is weird. It looks as if they deliberately want to discredit Kolodziejczak by coming up with some idiotic suggestion that he was hyperactive, keep touching his nose and so on. It seems to me that it is simply one side trying to discredit the most determined representative of the other side.
We are doomed. Ukraines future is to die alone and we certainly will never be trade partners or any real friends with Poland. And before Polish people say I’m just ungrateful idiot and it’s all Ukraine’s fault — OK.
Oh, another anti-Polish propaganda posted by Ukrainian ultra-nationalist and of course most of the sub eat it up without any objections lmao
Let’s say that these bad faith actors are getting paid by Russia to act against their own country’s interests in order to become personally enriched. That is the most traitorous and heinous crime – to corruptly and immorally sell out your own people and own country.
Jail time should be given each and every time.
In 1933-1939 years, there are no any Internet, therefore information about widespread social arguments about happening events, and their influence on WW2 preconditions, left predominantly unknown to later generations.
Let’s hope that such threads will help for future generations to better understands about what exactly trivial, inefficient, short-sighted fuckery, modern generation “created <-> discussed” during most important stages of WW3 prelude.
Ok, this is a piece of propaganda and a personal attack on one of the negotiators. The English of the writer is terrible and barely comprehensible. The drug accusation is absurd. They didn’t even get the last name right. This is not even journalism.
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On March 28, Polish-Ukrainian intergovernmental consultations took place in Warsaw.
These negotiations in Kyiv had considerable hopes. Recall that in addition to the already existing restrictions on Ukrainian agricultural imports, the Polish government has already announced the expansion of the list of prohibitions.
In particular, it is suggested to add eggs, chicken, honey, apple juice and frozen fruits (primarily raspberries) to the list of prohibited products.
And most importantly, after consultations with protesting farmers, the Polish government announced support for the idea of a complete ban on the transit of Ukrainian grain, corn and sunflower. They say that after these goods cross Polish territory, they allegedly “go back” and are sold on the Polish market.
It should be noted that the absurdity of such accusations was stated not only by Ukrainian government officials, but even Polish agrarian experts. However, this did not convince Polish farmers, and the Polish government did not argue with them on the eve of local elections.
All these circumstances show how important the meeting of the heads of government has become.
However, at the same time – and the fact that there were not so many chances for breakthrough agreements.
That’s how it turned out. The joint statement approved by the two governments only states that the parties “confirmed that trade liberalization measures should be formed in such a way as to have a positive impact on the economy of the Republic of Poland and other EU member states, as well as Ukraine, without destabilizing their markets, and that jointly developed mechanisms should control trade stability, taking into account the change in the security situation in Ukraine.”
At the same time, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal once again proposed to solve the problem of access to the Polish market of prohibited Ukrainian grain, corn and sunflower through the verification and licensing mechanism.
This mechanism, in fact, gives the Polish side the opportunity to independently determine how much of these goods it is ready to allow into this market. It is not surprising that Kyiv has already begun to apply such a mechanism in trade with other countries that previously imposed an embargo on Ukrainian grain.
However, this time, official Warsaw did not give principled consent to this mechanism. EuroPravda sources suggest that this is rather a political issue, and therefore the appropriate consent will be given either after the completion of the local elections, which will be held in April, or after the June elections to the European Parliament.
Despite this, Ukrainian negotiators generally assess the meeting in Warsaw rather positively.
“It’s good that this meeting finally took place. It is bad that it did not take place earlier,” says Mykola Solskyi, Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food.
A day earlier, he participated in more than five-hour consultations with representatives of Polish agriculture and Polish agricultural producers. “We have become twice as close to a compromise with Poland on most agrarian issues than we were before these negotiations,” he notes.
> And at the end of the negotiations, he made a huge speech for some reason about the Hadiach Union (1658. – Ed.), and then suddenly said that if we do not agree to Polish conditions, then let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need,” Alex Lissitsa describes the course of the negotiations.
What a wonderful man he must be
Confirmed from Polish side as well: https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/spiecie-michala-kolodziejczaka-z-ukraincami-serce-mi-krwawi/vp2qr5l?fbclid=IwAR3oV5qosv219Ghyb10ySztNcYU0BXmQLsHV9OdOy0JBjY3ziQiK-3BeeIA_aem_AU-F0fq8Aw4k8oXsv1xF3HGvwV_3yWbdcJK_hDCemhxnLWZPlX17oDuwi1taS_IjyskEo8x1uCINkCdFWS0dsctP
Wake up baby, daily anti-Polish/Poland post by Ukraine’s propaganda just dropped on r/europe.
>And at the end of the negotiations, he made a huge speech for some reason about the Hadiach Union (1658. – Ed.), and then suddenly said that if we do not agree to Polish conditions, then let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need,”
This guy is probably posting here on a regular basis. I can sense same powerful cocaine vibes in what he said as from many Polish redditors.
Honestly Ukrainians just move to different countries, pls dont come to Poland
It looks like the PiS was more pro-Ukrainian than the new government.
I don’t know why the EU keeps antagonizing Poland when they are literally the first line of defense against Russia. Maybe first and last given the mindset and state of Germany and it’s armed forces, respectively.
I mean, the Ukrainians are far from blameless on this issue. They kept the names of Nazi collaborators in Bandera street and Shukhevych stadium despite protests from Polish diplomacy, called us traitors and supporters of Putin, blocked our transports all while Ukrainian citizens receive welfare money and preferential treatment in our country.
Don’t get me wrong; I hate Russia and I believe Poland should still send supplies of ammunition to keep the Russians away but our interests are separate.
To show things from different perspective:
https://www.portalspozywczy.pl/technologie/wiadomosci/kolodziejczak-o-negocjacjach-z-ukraina-quot-ciezko-rozmawiac-z-partnerami-ktorzy-nie-dotrzymuja-umow-quot,251421.html
> “It is very difficult to talk with partners who do not keep agreements,” said Deputy Minister Michal Kolodziejczak, who is participating in talks with the Ukrainian side. He explained that on March 4 there was a pledge made by Ukraine’s Deputy Economy Minister Taras Kachka in an interview with the Financial Times, where he said that if Poland caused a reduction in grain imports from Russia (to the EU), they would be able to reduce imports of their products to Poland and the EU.
>
> “We believed that this was a real commitment, it is difficult to negotiate if we see that now Deputy Minister Kaczka is backing away from these words,” – Kolodziejczak said.
>
>
> A signed agreement between the Ministry of Agriculture and agricultural organizations was presented last week. The provisions mainly concern maintaining the embargo on agricultural products from Ukraine and regulating trade relations with the country.
>
> One of the points of the agreement stipulates that the Minister of Agriculture is to request Prime Minister Donald Tusk to stop the transit of embargoed agricultural products from Ukraine through Polish territory.
>
> This was addressed at a press conference at the Agriculture Ministry by Deputy Minister Kolodziejczak.
>
> “We need this transit to be severely limited in order to put the situation in order on its market, we will effectively pursue this, this is what the next talks will serve to achieve,” – Kolodziejczak said.
>
> Transit is currently reduced, he said, and we are most concerned with corn and wheat imports. He assessed that low grain prices are the result of grain sales by Russia, but also by Ukraine. In his opinion, Poland is in a very difficult situation. He assured that the Ministry of Agriculture will do everything possible to honor its commitments to Polish farmers.
>
> Siekierski: talks with Ukraine on food trade are difficult
>
> “There have been many bilateral talks with Ukraine. These have been difficult talks (…) the Ukrainian side is very keen to maintain (…) the terms of trade liberalization that have been proposed by the European Commission believing that this is a significant aid to Ukraine, with which we should agree. We in the Ministry of Agriculture talk about the need to separate humanitarian aid, military aid, or economic support as a whole from such a sectoral approach.” – Siekierski said Wednesday during a press conference.
>
> The minister explained that “it must not be the case that farmers, mainly of border countries, are burdened with too high a cost in terms of trade liberalization.” He noted that the Polish side is holding talks on licensing, among other issues, “in order to bring about a certain balance, so that the conditions are favorable for both sides.”
>
> He reported that on Wednesday at the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, the ministry’s leadership will meet with Ukraine’s minister and deputy minister of agriculture, their advisors, and there will also be representatives of plant producers’ associations. On the Polish side, there will be a similar lineup. “We will discuss bilateral relations in order to prepare some input for the discussion tomorrow, at the level of the joint meeting of the Ukrainian and Polish governments,” – The minister said.
>
> Asked about talks on licensing imports of products from Ukraine, Siekierski explained that licensing is a form of trade where licenses are issued by the Ukrainian side. “We have had far-reaching talks, but we also have significant differences, because the Ukrainian side talks about licensing only those products that are embargoed, while we would like to cover other products, for example raspberries. The Ukrainians reply that they will then include Polish frozen vegetables in the licensing.” – he explained.
>
> Siekierski added that analyses by the Institute of Public Finance and the Institute of Agricultural and Food Economics show that our country’s market situation is more influenced by low grain prices on world markets and Russia’s aggressive grain trade policy or, for example, high grain harvests.
I wonder if he sniffed something in the meantime.
UE is regulated market. It was negotiated, introduced and confirmed in may treaties. Now, some UE technocrats want to change it without any negotiation or treaty changes. They allowed Ukraine to export to EU a lot of agricultural products without limits and check.
Many UE farmers start to protest. EU governments take these farmers’ issues seriously and want to bring back previous status quo.
Ukraine is not in UE and it not entitled to anything. It want to sell anything in EU for profits of firms mostly register in Cyprus. Some of the are even connected to Russia.
It is far easier to give them weapon and some money to for current expenditure, than to allow such exception.
I like how Poles are ok with import and transition of Russian goods but not Ukrainian ones
In Poland there are elections soon:
1. local / municipal
2. europarliament
3. President next year.
Present coalition won by slim margin, and people are already blaming Tusk for not fulfilling his electoral promised. He promised “this time for sure”, to solve 100 issues in the first 100 days, and delivered like 10% – and not the most important ones.
On the other hand farmers and those dependent on farming are a huge group of voters. And they have tractors and other heavy equipment.
It is just easier for everyone to assume, that right now farmers run Poland.
No, it’s not escalating. I was worried it would be shown like this. Nobody is happy with Kołodziejczak in Poland (maybe besides some minor farmers’ support). It’s a surprise he’s even in the government.
Polish newspapers already say that the agreement was so very close. Almost already done. But he’s an idiot so he destroyed it. I know before the elections some people were even saying that he’s paid by Russians.
So please stop with these big words. I can see many of you are very emotional recently. It will probably be solved soon. Many politicians already say that he should be excluded from the negotiations from the start.
Best regards from Poland. We are still your allies, not enemies.
European Pravda is another news site provided for your by FSB agents like one exposed last week?
>And at the end of the negotiations, he made a huge speech for some reason about the Hadiach Union (1658. – Ed.), and then suddenly said that if we do not agree to Polish conditions, then let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need,” Alex Lissitsa describes the course of the negotiations.
It’s baffling that some Poles STILL don’t get that any Ukrainians which “*let Putin conquer us, because that’s what we need*” it’s Ukrainians which then start or will start to kill Poles or work against them as it was with Ukrainians under USSR-controlled/indoctrinate in the 1930s.
Therefore, this Kolodziejczak literally wished AT LEAST so that Russia created on Poland border North Korea analog, and more plausible – death of millions of Poles in WW3.
And overall, WTF Poland and EU are doing?
How so big bureaucratic structures which cannot even create simple emergency institution which would looking for, bought out, processed, resell Ukrainian agricultural products from territories of dissatisfied countries to non-EU countries expecting to effectively solve much more complex emergency problems in the future?
TL; DR Poland continue helping putin to kill more of us here, in Ukraine.
As a Pole and not a big Kołodziejczak’s fan I think this situation is weird. It looks as if they deliberately want to discredit Kolodziejczak by coming up with some idiotic suggestion that he was hyperactive, keep touching his nose and so on. It seems to me that it is simply one side trying to discredit the most determined representative of the other side.
We are doomed. Ukraines future is to die alone and we certainly will never be trade partners or any real friends with Poland. And before Polish people say I’m just ungrateful idiot and it’s all Ukraine’s fault — OK.
Oh, another anti-Polish propaganda posted by Ukrainian ultra-nationalist and of course most of the sub eat it up without any objections lmao
Let’s say that these bad faith actors are getting paid by Russia to act against their own country’s interests in order to become personally enriched. That is the most traitorous and heinous crime – to corruptly and immorally sell out your own people and own country.
Jail time should be given each and every time.
In 1933-1939 years, there are no any Internet, therefore information about widespread social arguments about happening events, and their influence on WW2 preconditions, left predominantly unknown to later generations.
Let’s hope that such threads will help for future generations to better understands about what exactly trivial, inefficient, short-sighted fuckery, modern generation “created <-> discussed” during most important stages of WW3 prelude.
Ok, this is a piece of propaganda and a personal attack on one of the negotiators. The English of the writer is terrible and barely comprehensible. The drug accusation is absurd. They didn’t even get the last name right. This is not even journalism.