Fünfjährige Untersuchung zum Havanna-Syndrom findet neue Beweise im Zusammenhang mit russischen Geheimdiensten und akustischen Waffen
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/havana-syndrome-russia-evidence-60-minutes/
Fünfjährige Untersuchung zum Havanna-Syndrom findet neue Beweise im Zusammenhang mit russischen Geheimdiensten und akustischen Waffen
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/havana-syndrome-russia-evidence-60-minutes/
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Wasn’t it like 2 weeks ago that they released a statement that there was no evidence of damage or physical effects from the supposed syndrome?
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Looks like NATO is building the case to take the gloves off with Putrid imo.
France, Finland.. have given the heads up.
Slava Ukrainian! ❤️
watched the 60 minutes story on this…not sure what to believe.
some compelling evidence…but the choice of victims seems rather random. Nobody in the higher levels (ambassador, VP, Secdef) and nobody in other countries experiencing these attacks?
I know they wouldn’t necessarily tell us if there were, but I just think if Russia had a weapon like this there would be many more suspected cases.
It’s reggaeton music. They play it 24 hrs 7 days a week on loud speakers all throughout the malecón in Havana, which happens to be where the American embassy was located. Felices los cuatro, Maluma baby. /s
I believe there’s more going on with this that can’t be reported because its classified. But there’s possibly just enough uncertainty for the moment to avoid WWIII.
In the meantime, we all know Russia would totally do something like this if they thought they could get away with it, just as they interfere in every aspect of the US information space. We shoud be sending Ukraine twice what they ask for to destroy Russia’s military and economy in the process.
Just give Ukraine all the weapons and training They need.
Sickening that these people are suffering this way. They don’t deserve this. No amount of money can make up for that kind of permanent brain injury.
pentagon guy says
about as reliable as a defector criticizing their former countries
Anyone have any sense or idea of how a device like this would work? Also, does it actually make a sound out loud or are these just some sort of microwaves that can only be felt after the event ?
What is the status of making an Havana Syndrome weapon detection device?
glad someone is finally speaking out about this, i remember getting Reddit replies joking that the people who believe this is actually happening must be the ones with the neurological damage, in reality the Russians have [a history of doing this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Signal) and we all know too well from 2016 and onwards that ‘hybrid warfare’ is what they most excel at, not live combat. the fact that it started back up again in Havana right after Obama began reproachment with Cuba, which Russia sees as its sphere of influence, is no mere coincidence. there’s also the deniability factor at play here: its not like intel agencies are going to come out and declassify all of the truth immediately, there are diplomatic angles to consider.
the people who were so eager to wrap it all up after a previous report was unable to find evidence linking the attacks to a foreign government, were probably also the same kind of people eager to absolve Trump of any Russia relationship after Mueller couldn’t find evidence of collusion with actual Russian gov agents, only with Russian nationals acting as intermediaries at Trump Tower, not enough to bring charges apparently.
Twitter bots are freaking the fuck out over this in that sites replies trying to discredit it. Looks like something to this.
What kind of defense could you have against this? Genuine question.
An acoustic weapon that you can’t hear. Yeh that sounds likely.
Doesn’t everyone have L-rad technology? I mean the US used it in Iraq making people surrender. It’s not like the technology is new
This is a weapon that in simple terms, mimics the effects and symptoms of a concussion/TBI.
The ear pain, vomiting, etc. is basically vestibular neuritis
Despise how usually when articles about this get posted and the discussion gets popular, a lot of comments are just people resorting to their confirmation bias, whether for one “side” of the argument or the other. Just take a look at the popular posts when the research article came out, like the one in the supposed altar of high-brow discussion, r/science: [https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1bi1c9u/people_with_havana_syndrome_show_no_brain_damage/](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1bi1c9u/people_with_havana_syndrome_show_no_brain_damage/)
e.g.:
“I prefer the theory that it’s just subconscious guilt manifesting as physical illness from working for one of the worst 3 letter organizations on the planet ”
“Lying. Just like the State Department has been doing since the beginning.”
“Wow, another incident of American mass hysteria triggered by communis
“Cuban living in Havana here. That “syndrome” is fake. It was created by the press to present “evidence” that could be taken as a pretext to curb the momentum that was gaining in relations between the Cuban government and a group of U.S. officials, led by Obama.”
Ya know, I really don’t know what caused it, if it’s real, whatever, cause I’m not involved at all and have nothing factual to add or from my personal experience. And yet I don’t have to succumb to confirmation bias to blurt out lame and baseless outbursts.
Duh
It could be a sort of weapon that works differently on different people. Maybe some just lose consciousness for some time. Then you can get into the hotel room of the target, scan docs, steal data, plant bugs, and leave.
This is a major proof of Russia’s culpability. And the result will be… Crickets.
Endless questions remain unanswered: how are they using it through walls, how are they aiming to a single person while others remain unscathed, how do they know where exactly their target is inside a large building….Many facilities under attack had external cameras, yet no perpetrators were identified from multiple locations…Even the effects differ widely among people affected….
What is more likely? That Russia has developed a secret brain melter and uses it on low level State Department bureaucrats or as is very well documented in human psychology/sociology, suggestion of a condition can result in the body producing the symptom which is the basic mechanism of mass sociogenic illness.
The West should wake up to the fact that russia is waging hybrid warfare against us in various ways for years if not decades.
Acoustic weapons is just a side-note in this. The successful propaganda, and buying or blackmailing our politicians is a much bigger threat.