‘I’m devastated: my wife and I are wondering why we came back’ – teacher’s four years’ work in Dubai not reflected in pay
by PoppedCork
‘I’m devastated: my wife and I are wondering why we came back’ – teacher’s four years’ work in Dubai not reflected in pay
by PoppedCork
38 comments
Hang on, he wants the pay scale of a job he wasn’t doing?
“Private secondary schools outside the EU are currently the only schools not recognised.” should have done his research before moaning
Are they for real? Teachers seems to live on another planet completely.
I never understand why people think things are completely transferable sometimes. The internet is literally at most people’s fingertips and basic research would have told them this.
It’s really not clear why it should be. And actually, I think it’s apt. You go to Dubai to avoid paying tax to this state. To then expect the state to reward you with a higher salary is extreme cheek.
Ah Richie lad come on. You feck off for 4 years and paid no tax on what you earned. No sympathy.
As a teacher, if you piss off and get paid enough for a downpayment on a house you why should you get increments here?
Very few of those teachers want to stay in Dubai, that’s why they are all moaning.
We should offer increments to teachers who are in Oz and Canada who we will never come back to Ireland otherwise. Not to people who went on an extended gap year, came back with 300K in the bank and now want to have their cake and eat it too.
I stayed here to get my increments and to find a permanent contract, that’s the trade off they made when they left.
>“I will always be minus those four years I taught. I came from five years living as a student and paying €7,000 for my postgraduate in education”
Forgets to mention how much tax-free earnings he got in exchange
I think a lot of people here are missing the point of the article. Increments are given in teaching for years of work abroad, this is a given in the education system. Whether or not you think that’s a cushty number for teachers is irrelevant, it happens.
The issue being raised here is that people working in private non-EU schools aren’t eligible. Which to me makes no sense. Why does it matter to the Department that the school was private? It wasn’t in Ireland anyway so wouldn’t have been benefiting Irish kids and even if the teacher worked in a foreign State school, they still wouldn’t be paying tax to us.
I have a few friends who had this experience (I was a teacher, I’ve left the profession now) and they’ve all elected to go off and work in the international private schools. They knew before they went out, it was just another push factor to leave Irish education. Better salaries for them, further teacher shortages for us. This lad is a Chemistry teacher – we need all the STEM teachers we can get. This is another case of the department cutting off their nose to spite their face.
So we have an PhD chemistry teacher who is massively underpaid because he works in a secondary/highschool, two kids, over educated, he is just a lung cancer diagnosis before we start seeing some blue crystal circulating in ireland
While I kinda agree with posts saying he knew what he was getting into , these aren’t new rules, I also think there is a good argument for caging the rules.
Currently primary teachers can get incremental credit for working in public and private schools within and outside the EU
Secondary teachers can get it for working in private schools within EU and outside
Secondary can get it for working in public schools outside the EU
The question is do private schools outside the EU continue to be treated differently?
“I can’t believe my decision to earn 4 years of tax free money didn’t entitle me to more money when I came back despite there being no reason why it should”
Went abroad, worked somewhere not recognised
Came back, complains it isn’t recognised
I’ve no pity for people who’ve contributed nothing through the last shitty years and now want benefits
I would imagine he was classed a New-Entrant to the public sector pay scale which is completely normal. There’s mechanisms in place to have experience reviewed as well & if it’s found applicable you can request that it be taken into account. I might be wrong for teachers but the wider public sector operates on a New vs Non-New Entrant basis.
State subsided education. State funded income, benefits and pay scale. Private sector work in a tax haven.
One of these things doesn’t fit with the other two.
People really raging at your one leaving for decent pay and tax breaks?
If I did my job for 5 years no matter where, I’d expect that experience to be considered as part of my pay package.
Maybe we should make it more enticing for teachers to stay and work in ireland so we don’t have a shortage.
Oh no, the consequences of my own decisions.
Live tax free, working in a private school in a petro state and expect us to pick up their bill?
I think that most secondary school teachers issues is that primary teachers are awarded incremental credits for working in private schools in the likes of Dubai whereas that’s not the case for secondary teachers who could be working in the same all through (primary and secondary) school in Dubai. It’s a two tier pay scale in effect. Secondary school teachers watch their primary school counterparts benefit in a way in which they do not.
He talks about all the great things in Dubai, but the truth of the matter is that he chose to come back. Ireland may not pay the salary he wants, but it’s obviously offering him other things that he can’t get in Dubai.
For example, he’d have to pay private school fees for his two children in Dubai. In Ireland their education will be free. That’ll offset the difference in salary
I get a real scummy feeling off the ‘going to Dubai’ buzz
I have friends that have done this and while they make good money tax free there are plenty of reasons they don’t stay there. Also moving back at 36 years of age after leaving at 32 he would have known the score.
Apples and Oranges.
Also, not if you are a state employed civil engineer.
Having read this comments it looks like “government = bad” and more like r/conpoface
Goes to Dubai to avoid tax, then complains that they aren’t getting enough tax-payers money on return.
I’m all for paying teachers more, but this argument is absolute horseshit. They clearly didn’t do the simple research and are now crying crocodile tears.
Its such a stupid ‘mistake’ that I actually find it hard to believe.
For god sake. They made a choice to go to dubai for years to earn tax free. Cry me a river
>After spending five years studying in Ireland, Mr Cosgrave decided to move to Dubai for work because he was made an offer that was too good to turn down.
>The school which offered him a job agreed to pay for his flights and find him accommodation.
>In 2018, Mr Cosgrave decided to move back to Ireland with his wife, a primary school teacher originally from Canada.
Just to confirm, he never worked in Ireland before going to Dubai? Somehow got his teaching experience recognised, then returned to Ireland and started where he should have?
His wife, a non-eu national, with a non-eu cert also started as a new teacher in the Irish system?
Expensive flight to Dubai, but nothing that should be surprising or “devastating” him.
There’s definetly an argument for sharing experience etc, but pay grades and pension liabilities is a pretty big stretch.
Consequences of abandoning your morals for cash.
Same happened to me when i trained and taught in Australia. I knew before I went and i had to pay full fees in Australia but i wanted the experience and didn’t want to work aimlessly in Australia.
The only frustrating aspect was when the ones who went to England to avail of grants did get recognised.
I was also bringing a unique experience from a different teaching environment back to my school, one that was different from the very established experience that exists here.
Department needs to get rid of the big career breaks. The minute they qualify they fack off to dubai
The absolute neck of this lad
What I struggle to understand the most about these ‘we can’t get a mortgage’ stories is; if two people have a down payment and even if their combined salaries are at the lowest approx. 80,000 and they have down payment and have been in their roles for. A minimum of 6 months since returning home, the only reason that I understand relates to issues outside of the arguments being made – unless I am
Missing something (quite possible as I skimmed the info). Whenever I hear about these stories it seems that the detail is missing – why exactly are they being refused – there has to be some person specific reason (spending etc.) that the banks don’t want to lend. There shouldn’t be a reason outside of this that they can’t get a small/average mortgage (even maximum: 320,000) between them.
Again, I could be completely wrong but I always feel like when I hear these ‘we can’t get a mortgage’ stories the story itself always centres around the reasons as to why they should be able to but not the actual reason they are being refused? Whether it’s the media or family/friends the story almost always seems to be sensationalised and focused on irrelevant info re: mortgage refusal.
In some cases the job is held open for them while there away.
So they want to leave a job, work for another employer and be given pay rises by their employer whilst working for someone else.
Jesus.
Also knew all of this before he went to work for a dictatorship.
> Not sure what you mean doss days for training as this isn’t a thing as far as I know. They do training in the summer months.
I have relations who are teachers who openly admit the summer training days they do are a waste of time and only sit through them to have a few days off in lieu to attend Friday weddings etc.
This type of entitled BS drives me nuts. My younger sister is at about the same stage in her teaching life and she chose to work here to irish standards and an agreed irish pay scale. Yeah its great to see teachers coming home but can you imagine me walking into my boss in a private firm going, yeah I’m back from Saudi, 4 years in the sun boss and I want the pay rises all the lads had while I was gone. Fml
Not sure getting to skip the ‘human rights’ part of the curriculum for 4 years wagers a pay increase. Now if you’d built experience in a relevant position (by teaching here) perhaps you’d deserve something then…
The lack of sympathy here is frankly refreshing.
Well at least it provides an incentive for teachers to stay and work in Ireland. Might slow down the dubai tax dodge brigade if they relise their 5 years dont count.
Anyone going to make money in Dubai gets a side-eye from me. Its morally reprehensible.