I say about 2 weeks but the road will be blocked for four to six
15 years
Oh the building part will be fairly quick, albeit not half as fast as in the video.
The permits tho…
I would guess that they would built a 2nd road to drive around the construction site. So traffic would have to slow down to 30 km/h on that road. This would give them the 2 weeks to slowly take down the old bridge and build a new road.
The administrative approval procedure alone would take up to five years.
Interesting bit for me is that they have wrecking vehicles standing on the bridge while already eating away at the sides. Then again, the bridge also seems significantly wider than in the OP.
My guess is that it would take about 2 years in Germany.
Well… demolishing Autobahn-Bridges on one weekend (and removal of debris) is not too unusual. Being German myself, I’d guess “we Germans” would excel in bureaucracy before (spending a couple of decades in planning, discussing and stuff) and this efficiency would only work for car related infrastructure and doing the same for a simple cycle lane or a railtrack could easily take weeks (or very likely would stall at the worst point)
The problem is there will be more than one contractor involved for different work to be done. And while each of them is waiting for material which is not being delivered in time, there will be a halfway finished (or removed) bridge standing on a closed road for six month while there is an ongoing lawsuit between the state and the contractors to decide who is responsible.
Probably 3 years in Germany but 15 years in Berlin.
Greetings from BER Flughafen
It’s taking the German painters i hired 4 weeks to paint around my windows. And there’s 3 of them.
Maybe a bridge is easier.
Here in my hometown Wiesbaden they needed 6 years of restoration for a bridge only to blow it up in 2021 because the bridge almost collapsed. After 3 months for demolition they want to start rebuilding the bridge in late 2022 (sure they will ;)). Salzbachtalbrücke look it up
There’s a Baustelle on an Autobahn near my place that’s been there since I arrived in Germany 6 years ago. The Autobahn is half closed and the speed limit is set to 80 and 60 in some parts. I honestly have no idea what they’re doing but it’s a hassle to drive through the Stau there every time!
Five minutes from my home (Austria) they built a new bridge this year. They took the old bridge off and built a newer version of it. The bridge was maybe 20m long and there are two rail tracks on top. It took approx. 6-7 months to do that.
5 years to do the paperwork, 1 night to demolish the bridge, 5 years to redo the paperwork because something was forgotten, half a year to reestablish the road because the work was started in November and can’t be finished because of frost
Moving to Germany from the UK I assumed everything would be so much better on roads. The UK is the land of the traffic cone and shit seems to take *for ever*.
But then there’s a junction round the corner from me that has been a building site for well over a year and I could swear in that time I haven’t seen a single thing change.
The stereotype of German efficiency is a total myth.
3 years of planning, 3 more years of legal bullshit, then, once they actually start doing it, probably a couple of nights.
The demolition and removal of a slightly longer bridge (1500 tons) over the A5 near Rust took a weekend (friday afternoon until monday early morning).
This would at least take two business years to be half done only for it to be abandoned for a few months with no progress at all and then it will be done in a few years again with a even worse solution somehow
Took about 3 years for the entire process in germany in my city, although it was a bigger bridge.
On the street opposite my house, repairs by the municipality took about two years
Termin? – 1-2 years ahead, check
Maps and projects? – sent by fax, 3 times just to be sure it can be read, check
Qualified workforce? – recruitment started abroad, not enough skilled workers here, check
Enough of applicants? – positive, hundreds from all over the world
Do they speak German at C1 level? – negative, for excavator job? They have years of experience from abroad. No… that won’t work.
Approved training in Germany? – negative, they know what they do. Just ask them for a practical test? No, we can’t do that.
Approved applicants:
– do they have Anmeldung? – negative, they can’t do that without a bank account.
– do they have bank accounts? – negative, can’t do that without Anmeldung
Well first they gonna block the whole street, then they gonna do nothing for the next 6 Months…
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I say about 2 weeks but the road will be blocked for four to six
15 years
Oh the building part will be fairly quick, albeit not half as fast as in the video.
The permits tho…
I would guess that they would built a 2nd road to drive around the construction site. So traffic would have to slow down to 30 km/h on that road. This would give them the 2 weeks to slowly take down the old bridge and build a new road.
The administrative approval procedure alone would take up to five years.
Yes
Just one night as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJiM5JCfKMo
Interesting bit for me is that they have wrecking vehicles standing on the bridge while already eating away at the sides. Then again, the bridge also seems significantly wider than in the OP.
My guess is that it would take about 2 years in Germany.
Well… demolishing Autobahn-Bridges on one weekend (and removal of debris) is not too unusual. Being German myself, I’d guess “we Germans” would excel in bureaucracy before (spending a couple of decades in planning, discussing and stuff) and this efficiency would only work for car related infrastructure and doing the same for a simple cycle lane or a railtrack could easily take weeks (or very likely would stall at the worst point)
The problem is there will be more than one contractor involved for different work to be done. And while each of them is waiting for material which is not being delivered in time, there will be a halfway finished (or removed) bridge standing on a closed road for six month while there is an ongoing lawsuit between the state and the contractors to decide who is responsible.
Probably 3 years in Germany but 15 years in Berlin.
Greetings from BER Flughafen
It’s taking the German painters i hired 4 weeks to paint around my windows. And there’s 3 of them.
Maybe a bridge is easier.
Here in my hometown Wiesbaden they needed 6 years of restoration for a bridge only to blow it up in 2021 because the bridge almost collapsed. After 3 months for demolition they want to start rebuilding the bridge in late 2022 (sure they will ;)). Salzbachtalbrücke look it up
It depends on the project, but [We can actually do this too](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMQcAn0Lbg)
A bridge in Dortmund was torn down and a new one installed. Road was closed for two Sundays. So not all that different
MONTHS
source: i am from wiesbaden
Bridge demolishing? Fast. Building one? 24 years of planning alone and then kinda forgetting about it until it’s too late. [Article in German](https://rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/24-jahre-planung-und-dann-klappt-brueckenbau-doch-nicht_aid-21696819)
That’s a German video sped up 14,5×10^6 times
I’d say about 5 to 7 years. You’ll get used to not driving over that road. I’ve seen road works that arent progressing for 10 years.
Wiesbaden would like to know your location.
Drive to Aachen, they build there until about 6 Years and still NOT ready.
Salzbachtalbrücke – bridge in Wiesbaden had to be blown-up very quickly due to security reasons, that happened November 6th 21. The cars were able to pass that road again shortly before Christmas. Unplanned and the fastest Germans could do obliviously. Here the link for German speakers: https://www.fnp.de/hessen/a66-bei-wiesbaden-wie-geht-es-weiter-mit-der-salzbachtalbruecke-91211178.html
There’s a Baustelle on an Autobahn near my place that’s been there since I arrived in Germany 6 years ago. The Autobahn is half closed and the speed limit is set to 80 and 60 in some parts. I honestly have no idea what they’re doing but it’s a hassle to drive through the Stau there every time!
Five minutes from my home (Austria) they built a new bridge this year. They took the old bridge off and built a newer version of it. The bridge was maybe 20m long and there are two rail tracks on top. It took approx. 6-7 months to do that.
5 years to do the paperwork, 1 night to demolish the bridge, 5 years to redo the paperwork because something was forgotten, half a year to reestablish the road because the work was started in November and can’t be finished because of frost
Moving to Germany from the UK I assumed everything would be so much better on roads. The UK is the land of the traffic cone and shit seems to take *for ever*.
But then there’s a junction round the corner from me that has been a building site for well over a year and I could swear in that time I haven’t seen a single thing change.
The stereotype of German efficiency is a total myth.
3 years of planning, 3 more years of legal bullshit, then, once they actually start doing it, probably a couple of nights.
The demolition and removal of a slightly longer bridge (1500 tons) over the A5 near Rust took a weekend (friday afternoon until monday early morning).
This would at least take two business years to be half done only for it to be abandoned for a few months with no progress at all and then it will be done in a few years again with a even worse solution somehow
Took about 3 years for the entire process in germany in my city, although it was a bigger bridge.
On the street opposite my house, repairs by the municipality took about two years
Termin? – 1-2 years ahead, check
Maps and projects? – sent by fax, 3 times just to be sure it can be read, check
Qualified workforce? – recruitment started abroad, not enough skilled workers here, check
Enough of applicants? – positive, hundreds from all over the world
Do they speak German at C1 level? – negative, for excavator job? They have years of experience from abroad. No… that won’t work.
Approved training in Germany? – negative, they know what they do. Just ask them for a practical test? No, we can’t do that.
Approved applicants:
– do they have Anmeldung? – negative, they can’t do that without a bank account.
– do they have bank accounts? – negative, can’t do that without Anmeldung
Well first they gonna block the whole street, then they gonna do nothing for the next 6 Months…