I have a lot of sympathy when people who are victims to this. It’s classism.
We wonder why we don’t get a better representation of working class MPs but then the media (and other detractors) hound anyone with an accent as being stupid.
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Angela has switched “was” and “were” completely. Accent is fine!
They was
He/she/it were
(I know you are trying this in your head haha…) 😉
Just been reading that this is exclusively in York dialect, and not at all across the rest of northern England?
Because men with an accent don’t get to those positions in the first place
I have never once heard anyone ever in my life criticise JRM for speaking like a posh upper class twat.
Way to take a great argument about class and turn it into middle class feminism to alienate literally everyone when it could’ve been a point of working class unity.
They also love to bring up the fact she had a child young.. when Johnson has half a dozen random kids floating about.
I am not sure it only happens to women. We have a male Systems Engineer at work, brain the size of a planet, has doctorate in engineering….and a brummy accent… so he says he has constant being undermined and left out of clique
(we are quite an old school design house where what boarding school you went to got many of the senior team their jobs and these are people past retirement that are too skilled to lose as company wont train new and want entry level with 10 years design experience)
Rayner and Starmer can both speak in complete sentences though. More than can be said for posh Tory twats talking bollocks. Boris wiffle waffle with the toddler haircut may speak nicely but he doesn’t say anything useful.
It doesn’t just happen to women – look at the way the SNP get treated at Westminster.
This doesn’t only affect women. Nor do I agree it disproportionately affects one gender over the other. Another thickly veiled and misguided attempt to bring new-wave feminism into a debate that doesn’t require it. as to the point of accents, it definitely does exist. Some accents sound better than others, especially to foreigners. I would go so far so opine that certain accents are favoured by more people than other accents. But I don’t necessarily see an issue with that. Presentation is based mostly on how you want to be perceived, and there are numerous competing psychological theories as to what underpins that on both ends. If some Northern accents are associated with less intelligence etc then people with such an accent need to take that into account. As a Northerner, this is how I view things
Had dinner with my aunt last night and she called Rayner a “common wee communist”. Had to explain to her that Rayner’s propping up the party right (which is bad) and that being from a working class background is nothing to sneer at.
Can’t take seriously anyone who thinks this only happens to women.
I completely hear this as I have a Geordie/Durham accent, I’m proud of it though. It’s a bit mumbly and fast so I’ve had to slow it down in London but that’s as far as it goes. I mean, I know plenty of people in this city with “posh” accents who are thick as two short planks for sure, it means nothing. Fuck em really, if you think like that then you’re automatically stupid in my book anyway.
I also lecture at uni, have no problems with it there. Neither do my students.
Remember that woman in Trumps first impeachment hearing with the heavy Yorkshire accent explicitly saying she left the UK for the US because her accent was holding her career back?
The truth is people are now seeing her as the threat she is. If she becomes Labour leader, she’s going to be elected PM.
Not enough working class accents in
Politics
Media
Law
Basically all the ruling class speak the same.
Who cares? It’s not like those people will ever consider voting for Labour anyway. They’re a dying breed and will vanish into irrelevance
“accent policing” please just say “Xenaphobic, prejudice, cunts” then there is little room for misunderstanding.
The thing is that 90% of people in the UK have got more in common with Angela Rayner than they have with any of the Tory front bench.
Because its old rich white men who want to play empire that run the country
As someone from an East London council flat who then went to a Russel Group uni, I feel like it happens to men as much as women tbh
Lmao, it really doesn’t. Coming from the south west you see it everywhere, especially within the education system
I explained to my mum how it was classist and sexist, if she was Southern and male there would be no problem.
My mum decided that female politicians are bossy nags, unless they’re May or Thatcher in which case they speak like The Queen so it’s okay.
I love her for it. I can imagine her being called gobby a lot too. Good for her, thats how you know you’re on the right path.
Could do with more scrutiny on Moggs cartoonishly fake posh accent
If anyone’s accent is gonna be made fun of it should 100% be those Eton toffs.
Trust the Indy to make a bad intersectionist take. It doesn’t just happen to women. Look at any man who has a non-RP accent.
Classism and accent-based stereotypes are a real problem. Rayner is sometimes victim of this, though I think a number of people don’t like her for other reasons. But it isn’t a gendered issue.
Why does making every criticism a muh sexism issue only ever seem to happen with women?
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I have a lot of sympathy when people who are victims to this. It’s classism.
We wonder why we don’t get a better representation of working class MPs but then the media (and other detractors) hound anyone with an accent as being stupid.
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Angela has switched “was” and “were” completely. Accent is fine!
They was
He/she/it were
(I know you are trying this in your head haha…) 😉
Just been reading that this is exclusively in York dialect, and not at all across the rest of northern England?
Because men with an accent don’t get to those positions in the first place
I have never once heard anyone ever in my life criticise JRM for speaking like a posh upper class twat.
Way to take a great argument about class and turn it into middle class feminism to alienate literally everyone when it could’ve been a point of working class unity.
I do think accent policing is appalling – I had to hide my own working class accent at 20 to get a nice middle class job and I always resented it – but it’s hardly limited to women. [Sadiq Khan](https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1470753/Sadiq-Khan-news-Alex-Scott-Lord-Digby-Jones-accent-twitter-row-Olympics-LBC-vn) comes in for a lot of nonsense for his glottal stops and [dropping his gs](https://www.nme.com/news/music/morrissey-talks-racism-left-wing-hitler-says-sadiq-khan-can-not-talk-properly-2295226).
They also love to bring up the fact she had a child young.. when Johnson has half a dozen random kids floating about.
I am not sure it only happens to women. We have a male Systems Engineer at work, brain the size of a planet, has doctorate in engineering….and a brummy accent… so he says he has constant being undermined and left out of clique
(we are quite an old school design house where what boarding school you went to got many of the senior team their jobs and these are people past retirement that are too skilled to lose as company wont train new and want entry level with 10 years design experience)
Rayner and Starmer can both speak in complete sentences though. More than can be said for posh Tory twats talking bollocks. Boris wiffle waffle with the toddler haircut may speak nicely but he doesn’t say anything useful.
It doesn’t just happen to women – look at the way the SNP get treated at Westminster.
This doesn’t only affect women. Nor do I agree it disproportionately affects one gender over the other. Another thickly veiled and misguided attempt to bring new-wave feminism into a debate that doesn’t require it. as to the point of accents, it definitely does exist. Some accents sound better than others, especially to foreigners. I would go so far so opine that certain accents are favoured by more people than other accents. But I don’t necessarily see an issue with that. Presentation is based mostly on how you want to be perceived, and there are numerous competing psychological theories as to what underpins that on both ends. If some Northern accents are associated with less intelligence etc then people with such an accent need to take that into account. As a Northerner, this is how I view things
Had dinner with my aunt last night and she called Rayner a “common wee communist”. Had to explain to her that Rayner’s propping up the party right (which is bad) and that being from a working class background is nothing to sneer at.
Can’t take seriously anyone who thinks this only happens to women.
I completely hear this as I have a Geordie/Durham accent, I’m proud of it though. It’s a bit mumbly and fast so I’ve had to slow it down in London but that’s as far as it goes. I mean, I know plenty of people in this city with “posh” accents who are thick as two short planks for sure, it means nothing. Fuck em really, if you think like that then you’re automatically stupid in my book anyway.
I also lecture at uni, have no problems with it there. Neither do my students.
Remember that woman in Trumps first impeachment hearing with the heavy Yorkshire accent explicitly saying she left the UK for the US because her accent was holding her career back?
The truth is people are now seeing her as the threat she is. If she becomes Labour leader, she’s going to be elected PM.
Not enough working class accents in
Politics
Media
Law
Basically all the ruling class speak the same.
Who cares? It’s not like those people will ever consider voting for Labour anyway. They’re a dying breed and will vanish into irrelevance
“accent policing” please just say “Xenaphobic, prejudice, cunts” then there is little room for misunderstanding.
The thing is that 90% of people in the UK have got more in common with Angela Rayner than they have with any of the Tory front bench.
Because its old rich white men who want to play empire that run the country
As someone from an East London council flat who then went to a Russel Group uni, I feel like it happens to men as much as women tbh
Lmao, it really doesn’t. Coming from the south west you see it everywhere, especially within the education system
I explained to my mum how it was classist and sexist, if she was Southern and male there would be no problem.
My mum decided that female politicians are bossy nags, unless they’re May or Thatcher in which case they speak like The Queen so it’s okay.
I love her for it. I can imagine her being called gobby a lot too. Good for her, thats how you know you’re on the right path.
Could do with more scrutiny on Moggs cartoonishly fake posh accent
If anyone’s accent is gonna be made fun of it should 100% be those Eton toffs.
Trust the Indy to make a bad intersectionist take. It doesn’t just happen to women. Look at any man who has a non-RP accent.
Classism and accent-based stereotypes are a real problem. Rayner is sometimes victim of this, though I think a number of people don’t like her for other reasons. But it isn’t a gendered issue.
Why does making every criticism a muh sexism issue only ever seem to happen with women?