I supported the first two lockdowns but unless some super-variant comes along, we need to get on with things now.
“We need to live with a greatly increased number of deaths above baseline because it’s an Englishman’s right to spit in the mouths of his fellow pubgoers”
Learning to live means different things to different people.
Oh do fuck off Starmer.
We have you on tape advocating putting us in lockdown over the summer / October / Christmas.
Mark Drakeford put Wales in lockdown and only recently had to do a U Turn as the Sage advice proved wrong (again)
Living with Covid would require huge amounts of serious changes. We’d need Work From Home to be protected in our rights, we’d need the NHS to see massive funding increases to both cover staff and building upgrades, we’d need more NHS staff and better pay for them. We’d need to see Sick Pay overhauled to actually allow people time off. We’d need to see Disability Benefits changed to both cover the increased costs to a modified life and to see Disability Benefits accessible for those with Long Covid. We’ll need to see better rights for workers and we’ll need to see serious teeth for the regulators that protect them. We would need to see serious government investment into genuine upgrades to Internet access. We’d need to see public transport improved but also protected so it doesn’t shrink.
Anyone telling us to live with Covid without offering solutions to these points is telling you they don’t care if you die as long as businesses make profits.
This is a Clumper Faz post so it’s pointless to put too much effort into this because if it doesn’t have positive upvotes it will be removed.
But I’ll put this here for people who’ll be tricked by these stupid political Dogwhistles.
“Living with Covid” is impossible, we currently have very few restrictions considering how badly our healthcare services are being affected by self isolating staff,wards being closed, and so many more major issues. There was a post on here that said 1 in 12 teachers were off due to covid, don’t know how you’re supposed to “live with” Covid when you have hundreds of thousands of people every day experiencing cold like symptoms.
The impact on businesses alone from self isolating and people being off ill is massive in tourist locations such as mine, entire businesses having to close for weeks due to the entire staff coming down with covid, if you’re selfish and stupid enough to think it’s fine to go to work with the flu then idk what to say to convince you to stop being selfish.
One of the (trivial, I know) annoying things about the pandemic is the constant repetitive soundbites that the media publish every single day.
‘We need to learn to live with Covid’
‘Further restrictions may be announced’
‘Covid cases may appear to be falling’
‘Covid cases on sharp increase’
‘Hospitals close to collapse under Covid admissions’
‘NHS staff burned out’
‘Covid may be here to stay’
Every fucking day whether it’s on TV, social media, newspapers, radio….it’s just DRAINING. I’m sick to death of hearing about it everywhere I look.
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The rate of human mortality has changed negatively, it is quite likely that every year of your life tens of thousands of people in the UK will die of covid. You can either come to terms with that or… No actually, that’s it.
The first part of learning to live with it is stop recording cases and deaths from it. Get rid of all the numbers so life feels back to normal.
I’m a little bit incredulous that there are still people trying to argue for a zero-covid approach.
Hasn’t Oz shown anything? I mean their efforts to keep the virus out were well honed and taken very seriously, and even so they failed – miserably, when it came to Delta, never mind Omicron which is even more contagious.
I was a huge fan of a zero-covid approach before vaccines came along – I think had we done what NZ did, albeit harder for us, then we could have spent far less on the epidemic, had fewer deaths and fewer restrictions (locally), but that was 2 years ago. The reality now is that covid is here to stay in one form or another – there’s no escaping it, ergo our priority is on mitigating the worst effects of it and THAT we have successfully done. Currently despite the enormous number of Omicron cases in the UK, ventilator usage in hospitals is still falling from its Delta peak.
Obviously the risk isn’t zero to everyone and THAT is something that we need to factor into our ongoing lives. That is what learning to live with covid means. When I go to see my 80y old mother now, I am careful what I do in the week preceding and take a test before I go. It’s not fool-proof, but it diminishes the already low risks.
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Yes…yes…YES!!!!
Very chuffed for him to say this.
I supported the first two lockdowns but unless some super-variant comes along, we need to get on with things now.
“We need to live with a greatly increased number of deaths above baseline because it’s an Englishman’s right to spit in the mouths of his fellow pubgoers”
Learning to live means different things to different people.
Oh do fuck off Starmer.
We have you on tape advocating putting us in lockdown over the summer / October / Christmas.
Mark Drakeford put Wales in lockdown and only recently had to do a U Turn as the Sage advice proved wrong (again)
Living with Covid would require huge amounts of serious changes. We’d need Work From Home to be protected in our rights, we’d need the NHS to see massive funding increases to both cover staff and building upgrades, we’d need more NHS staff and better pay for them. We’d need to see Sick Pay overhauled to actually allow people time off. We’d need to see Disability Benefits changed to both cover the increased costs to a modified life and to see Disability Benefits accessible for those with Long Covid. We’ll need to see better rights for workers and we’ll need to see serious teeth for the regulators that protect them. We would need to see serious government investment into genuine upgrades to Internet access. We’d need to see public transport improved but also protected so it doesn’t shrink.
Anyone telling us to live with Covid without offering solutions to these points is telling you they don’t care if you die as long as businesses make profits.
This is a Clumper Faz post so it’s pointless to put too much effort into this because if it doesn’t have positive upvotes it will be removed.
But I’ll put this here for people who’ll be tricked by these stupid political Dogwhistles.
“Living with Covid” is impossible, we currently have very few restrictions considering how badly our healthcare services are being affected by self isolating staff,wards being closed, and so many more major issues. There was a post on here that said 1 in 12 teachers were off due to covid, don’t know how you’re supposed to “live with” Covid when you have hundreds of thousands of people every day experiencing cold like symptoms.
The impact on businesses alone from self isolating and people being off ill is massive in tourist locations such as mine, entire businesses having to close for weeks due to the entire staff coming down with covid, if you’re selfish and stupid enough to think it’s fine to go to work with the flu then idk what to say to convince you to stop being selfish.
One of the (trivial, I know) annoying things about the pandemic is the constant repetitive soundbites that the media publish every single day.
‘We need to learn to live with Covid’
‘Further restrictions may be announced’
‘Covid cases may appear to be falling’
‘Covid cases on sharp increase’
‘Hospitals close to collapse under Covid admissions’
‘NHS staff burned out’
‘Covid may be here to stay’
Every fucking day whether it’s on TV, social media, newspapers, radio….it’s just DRAINING. I’m sick to death of hearing about it everywhere I look.
‘
The rate of human mortality has changed negatively, it is quite likely that every year of your life tens of thousands of people in the UK will die of covid. You can either come to terms with that or… No actually, that’s it.
The first part of learning to live with it is stop recording cases and deaths from it. Get rid of all the numbers so life feels back to normal.
I’m a little bit incredulous that there are still people trying to argue for a zero-covid approach.
Hasn’t Oz shown anything? I mean their efforts to keep the virus out were well honed and taken very seriously, and even so they failed – miserably, when it came to Delta, never mind Omicron which is even more contagious.
I was a huge fan of a zero-covid approach before vaccines came along – I think had we done what NZ did, albeit harder for us, then we could have spent far less on the epidemic, had fewer deaths and fewer restrictions (locally), but that was 2 years ago. The reality now is that covid is here to stay in one form or another – there’s no escaping it, ergo our priority is on mitigating the worst effects of it and THAT we have successfully done. Currently despite the enormous number of Omicron cases in the UK, ventilator usage in hospitals is still falling from its Delta peak.
Obviously the risk isn’t zero to everyone and THAT is something that we need to factor into our ongoing lives. That is what learning to live with covid means. When I go to see my 80y old mother now, I am careful what I do in the week preceding and take a test before I go. It’s not fool-proof, but it diminishes the already low risks.
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