I’d go one further and ban those that lie about being pick-pocketed on the tube.
~~I was genuinely surprised to see that there’s no provision for anti-social behaviour or nuisance in the [TfL Conditions of Carriage](https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-conditions-of-carriage.pdf) (PDF link) for those who don’t hold an Oyster Photocard.~~
> 6. Unacceptable behaviour
>
> (8) No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway.
>
> 7. Music, sound, advertising and similar activities
>
> (1) Except with written permission from the Operator, no person on the railway shall,
> to the annoyance of any person:
>
> (i) sing; or
>
> (ii) use any instrument, article or equipment for the production or reproduction of sound
So really this isn’t so much a policy change as an uncosted promise to step-up enforcement patrols? Wasn’t she complaining about jackbooted ULEZ enforcement thugs in a previous advertisement?
Well, this just about proves the axiom that a broken clock is right twice a day.
Susan Hall said that she thinks that Tube fares and fares for every other form of public transport should go up. But when she was asked, she didn’t know how much the cost of a Tube fare actually was.
So even though she doesn’t know what the number is, she wants it to be higher as a matter of principle.
That worries me a lot more than meaningless posturing and signalling about someone playing music on the Tube.
>Ms Hall, who is behind in the polls to Labour mayor Sadiq Khan in the May 2 battle for City Hall, would overhaul Transport for London’s conditions of carriage to enable enforcement officers to challenge passengers playing loud music or videos without headphones.
…I don’t see how this could actually be put into practice as, even if they rewrote the rules for the Tube, they’d still need to hire legions of additional enforcement officers.
All very well for her to say stuff like this as part of her manifesto, but the ‘plan’ is apparently that non-compliant passengers “may be asked to leave the network”? OK, and then what? Oh, “Police would be called if the passenger refuses to cooperate”? So, employing legions of additional police officers as well? And installing them on trains?
And how’s any of this going to work on crowded trains and platforms at rush hour?
Lots of blue sky thinking going on here, when the problem requires a solution grounded in reality.
Lol by who? Tfl staff? Certainly no police around.
This is just an attempt to charm voters away from Count Binface’s stronger manifesto.
If you can’t stop assault then no way they can enforce this
If she wasn’t so batshit crazy, and this wasn’t utterly unenforceable, this might actually be a vote winner!
You know what she might have swayed me!
/s
Of course this should happen (tho actually I don’t think it happens much on the tube – can’t remember the last time I noticed it anyway, much more common on buses).. but by who exactly? You’d probably need to at least quadruple BTP officer to make this even vaguely possible.
Agree with her on the playing loud noise but shes a bit nutty.
Gonna hire hundreds of staff to do this? How are these staff gonna physically remove uncooperative people? Or are we gonna have to stop the train and wait for the British transport police to arrive to deal with them every time we catch someone playing music causing endless delays?
Like the other day I was on the overground and there was a group of 15 or so teenagers playing music and tiktoks loud and putting feet up on seats, nothing too bad just obnoxious. But would probably have taken 5 or so officers if they want to react badly to being told to shut up. No way I would expect a train guard to confront 15 of them all over being noisy. And no way would I want my train home to be delayed half an hour to deal with them.
Right. And who’s gonna enforce that?
You don’t have enough officers to deal with actual crime, and if you divert/hire for BTP to deal with nothing but ASB on the tube, people will also just moan that police should be dealing with robbers and not poor 15 year olds being cunts.
You need to educate people if you want to change anything, and that doesn’t seem to be happening. Maybe get some social media influencers to run an education campaign. That way, when those bastards watch their loud tik toks on public transport, they can learn that they’re being rude.
Cant even stop people jumping the barriers 2 feet in front of them, yeah that’s definitely going to happen
Funny stuff, ulez and fear of crime too. No chance.
I suspect she’ll be the one thrown out (though I hate noise pollution tbh).
Susan Hall promises to increase average sunshine hours
Ha ha, what an absolute disaster of a candidate she is. Perfect embodiment of the modern tory party: inept, ignorant, desperate and absolutely thick as shit.
Guess I’m voting Tory then!
>!don’t be ridiculous !<
By who?
Oh shit, well this changes everything! Tories totally have my vote! /s
Lol
Classic Batshit Sue.
Unless Hall intends vastly increasing BTP numbers to enforce this plan it’s just simply more dogwhistle ragebait. I get it’s annoying, but I think London has significant other issues that need addressing first.
These days if you play music out loud on the Tube you get arrested and thrown in jail.
No they won’t
The unions would have a say on that little bit of brilliant thinking…
Is she going to do this personally?
Because I’d LOVE to know how she plans to fund a TFL staff member to patrol every single carriage on every single tube on the off chance that someone will play music out loud.
I get that it’s annoying, but realistically it would cost a fortune to police this.
Oh man, I hate it when people play music and interfere with my enjoyment of the 90dB otherworldly screeching noise the tube makes.
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I’d go one further and ban those that lie about being pick-pocketed on the tube.
~~I was genuinely surprised to see that there’s no provision for anti-social behaviour or nuisance in the [TfL Conditions of Carriage](https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-conditions-of-carriage.pdf) (PDF link) for those who don’t hold an Oyster Photocard.~~
~~Still not going to vote this loon, though.~~
EDIT: There is ample provision in [TfL’s Railway Byelaws](https://content.tfl.gov.uk/railway-byelaws.pdf) (PDF link):
> 6. Unacceptable behaviour
>
> (8) No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway.
>
> 7. Music, sound, advertising and similar activities
>
> (1) Except with written permission from the Operator, no person on the railway shall,
> to the annoyance of any person:
>
> (i) sing; or
>
> (ii) use any instrument, article or equipment for the production or reproduction of sound
So really this isn’t so much a policy change as an uncosted promise to step-up enforcement patrols? Wasn’t she complaining about jackbooted ULEZ enforcement thugs in a previous advertisement?
Well, this just about proves the axiom that a broken clock is right twice a day.
Susan Hall said that she thinks that Tube fares and fares for every other form of public transport should go up. But when she was asked, she didn’t know how much the cost of a Tube fare actually was.
So even though she doesn’t know what the number is, she wants it to be higher as a matter of principle.
That worries me a lot more than meaningless posturing and signalling about someone playing music on the Tube.
>Ms Hall, who is behind in the polls to Labour mayor Sadiq Khan in the May 2 battle for City Hall, would overhaul Transport for London’s conditions of carriage to enable enforcement officers to challenge passengers playing loud music or videos without headphones.
…I don’t see how this could actually be put into practice as, even if they rewrote the rules for the Tube, they’d still need to hire legions of additional enforcement officers.
All very well for her to say stuff like this as part of her manifesto, but the ‘plan’ is apparently that non-compliant passengers “may be asked to leave the network”? OK, and then what? Oh, “Police would be called if the passenger refuses to cooperate”? So, employing legions of additional police officers as well? And installing them on trains?
And how’s any of this going to work on crowded trains and platforms at rush hour?
Lots of blue sky thinking going on here, when the problem requires a solution grounded in reality.
Lol by who? Tfl staff? Certainly no police around.
This is just an attempt to charm voters away from Count Binface’s stronger manifesto.
If you can’t stop assault then no way they can enforce this
If she wasn’t so batshit crazy, and this wasn’t utterly unenforceable, this might actually be a vote winner!
You know what she might have swayed me!
/s
Of course this should happen (tho actually I don’t think it happens much on the tube – can’t remember the last time I noticed it anyway, much more common on buses).. but by who exactly? You’d probably need to at least quadruple BTP officer to make this even vaguely possible.
Agree with her on the playing loud noise but shes a bit nutty.
Gonna hire hundreds of staff to do this? How are these staff gonna physically remove uncooperative people? Or are we gonna have to stop the train and wait for the British transport police to arrive to deal with them every time we catch someone playing music causing endless delays?
Like the other day I was on the overground and there was a group of 15 or so teenagers playing music and tiktoks loud and putting feet up on seats, nothing too bad just obnoxious. But would probably have taken 5 or so officers if they want to react badly to being told to shut up. No way I would expect a train guard to confront 15 of them all over being noisy. And no way would I want my train home to be delayed half an hour to deal with them.
Right. And who’s gonna enforce that?
You don’t have enough officers to deal with actual crime, and if you divert/hire for BTP to deal with nothing but ASB on the tube, people will also just moan that police should be dealing with robbers and not poor 15 year olds being cunts.
You need to educate people if you want to change anything, and that doesn’t seem to be happening. Maybe get some social media influencers to run an education campaign. That way, when those bastards watch their loud tik toks on public transport, they can learn that they’re being rude.
Cant even stop people jumping the barriers 2 feet in front of them, yeah that’s definitely going to happen
Funny stuff, ulez and fear of crime too. No chance.
I suspect she’ll be the one thrown out (though I hate noise pollution tbh).
Susan Hall promises to increase average sunshine hours
Ha ha, what an absolute disaster of a candidate she is. Perfect embodiment of the modern tory party: inept, ignorant, desperate and absolutely thick as shit.
Guess I’m voting Tory then!
>!don’t be ridiculous !<
By who?
Oh shit, well this changes everything! Tories totally have my vote! /s
Lol
Classic Batshit Sue.
Unless Hall intends vastly increasing BTP numbers to enforce this plan it’s just simply more dogwhistle ragebait. I get it’s annoying, but I think London has significant other issues that need addressing first.
These days if you play music out loud on the Tube you get arrested and thrown in jail.
No they won’t
The unions would have a say on that little bit of brilliant thinking…
Is she going to do this personally?
Because I’d LOVE to know how she plans to fund a TFL staff member to patrol every single carriage on every single tube on the off chance that someone will play music out loud.
I get that it’s annoying, but realistically it would cost a fortune to police this.
Oh man, I hate it when people play music and interfere with my enjoyment of the 90dB otherworldly screeching noise the tube makes.
🙄
She strikes me as a bad person.
By who??? How on earth will this be enforced