Rishi Sunak pledges to remove benefits for people not taking jobs after 12 months
https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-pledges-to-remove-benefits-for-people-not-taking-jobs-after-12-months-13118419
by Vdubnub88
Rishi Sunak pledges to remove benefits for people not taking jobs after 12 months
https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-pledges-to-remove-benefits-for-people-not-taking-jobs-after-12-months-13118419
by Vdubnub88
38 comments
I think this is fair for most cases, if you can’t get a job in your field within 3-6 months you should be taking something in the meantime whilst you still search.
Tory MPs looking worryingly at their future job prospects 👀
You’ll work your 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week for absolute minimum wage in a high cost of living area and you’ll like it – or else!
What a vote winner. The usual pre election playbook of blaming migrants and those on benefits.
Normal obsession of the Tories about the “economic inactive”. I.e. let’s attack the disabled and sick.
You want to know who else is economically inactive? Landlords.
Another thing to point out is that the younger people I mentor are often still living at home because the jobs they can get doesn’t cover rent to move out.
In other words, if they do become economically active, then over half their take home pay goes to a person who is economically inactive.
But we don’t want to have that conversation, do we.
Any MP who thinks that benefits are a free ride should be made to claim UC for a year and live on it.
Are there real fundamental problems with the benefits system? Yes. Are there people who take advantage of those problems to the detriment of others and the system as a whole? Yes.
Am I interested in a bunch of life long grifters telling me the skivers are the real problem? No.
I think there is a lot of emotion in the subject but it is a fact that our ratio of people in employment to people not in employment (unemployed and economically inactive) is not good and will get worse.
A policy that helps some people back into work is a good thing. This isn’t a comment on the specifics of this plan, I’m talking generally about the reasoning behind it.
>Removing benefits after 12 months for those deemed fit for work but who do not comply with conditions set by their work coach – such as accepting a job offer
There’s no jobs in most of the country other than minimum wage ones, so are they going to invest in these areas to bring in more attractive jobs? No?
>Tightening the work capability assessment so those with less severe conditions will be expected to seek employment
What’s a ‘less severe condition’? The WCA is bad enough as it is. It seems like you’ll be found fit for work unless you’re literally dying.
>A review of the fit note system to focus on what someone can do, to be carried out by independent assessors rather than GPs
So sick notes will now be the responsibility of people who aren’t medically trained. Brilliant. No doubt they’ll be offered bonuses for the amount of people they get into work.
>Changes to the rules so someone working less than half of a full-time week will have to look for more work
What? People do part-time work for all sorts of legitimate reasons.
>A consultation on PIP to look at eligibility changes and targeted support – such as offering talking therapies instead of cash payments
Why can’t it be both?
>The introduction of a new fraud bill to treat benefit fraud like tax fraud, with new powers to make seizures and arrests.
What about the tax fraud of millionaires and billionaires, which is far more of a drain on the Treasury than ‘benefit fraud’?
Tory scum being Tory scum. Fucking evil bastards. I hate them so much it physically hurts.
Being an election year and the Tories poll numbers, he’s not gonna be around long enough to get this disgusting bullshit into law…. but it just shows, once again, the sort of disturbed, vile bastard he is….
None of this will go through, he is just trying to appease voters ahead of next election
It’s a tough question to answer butI don’t think this is the solution. We have more people in their 20s signed off than people in their 40s. We seem to have a culture that is – for whatever reason you seem accurate – causing more and more people to not be in employment. How we reverse that trend is going to be a tough problem to tackle because it’s so multi-part.
Attacking the disabled didn’t fix everything 15 years ago, it won’t fix anything now.
The state’s obsession with forcing round pegs into square holes is why the UK economy has a productivity crisis.
How to lose 9 million voters: Tory desperation edition
Which if you refuse work without good reason you already get sanctioned and worse. Its pure noise.
They’ve cut public transport (buses mainly are the issue) to such an extent that if you live in the wrong area you simply can’t get around. Wtf do they expect? And even if the buses did run the roads are shit and filled with holes. This country has really gone to shit since brexit (I’m not blaming brexit directly, just since it happened, jesus christ, we’ve been becoming more and more like Greece, and people don’t seem to realise). The wheels are actually coming off… not just being dramatic about it, and I know people always say the country is going down the toilet, but these last few years…the decline… holy fuck.
We’ve currently got a labour shortage and over a million vacant jobs leftover because EU workers fled after Brexit, and Boomers retired early during the pandemic.
So how will we get that vital work done?
We can’t just leave a million jobs unfilled because it creates shortages in goods/services which drives inflation, and prolongs our cost of living crisis.
The choices to get these jobs filled are:
1. We continue with high immigration, this meets our economic demand for goods/services which reduces inflation but also make voters furious.
2. We leave over a million jobs unfilled and inflation continues to rise because of shortages in goods/services, the cost of living crisis and the state of the country gets worse for everyone.
3. Governments put more pressure on working age British people to do the ‘unpleasant’ ex-EU jobs, achieves this by making more people uncomfortable enough they’re forced into those roles.
4. We move the goalposts of retirement for younger pensioners to force some of them back into the labour market.
I suspect whoever is elected into power (and based on historic precedent) a mixture of options 1 + 3 will be the chosen solutions to fix our economy.
Options 2 + 4 are politically non-viable.
Well benifits should be given to people that need them.
Not people who don’t want to work more to woman that keep popping out kids and get an income out of and a free house.
Politicians putting effort into something which doesn’t solve the problems because they are afraid of tackling the real causes head on and actually enacting positive change for the good of the country.
They all do this, it will probably never change and we’ll continue on our path to ruin because no one wants to rock the boat.
If he wants to do this, he needs to do something to encourage employers to take on people who have been unemployed for more than a few months.
It’s getting consigned to the scrap heap for being deemed unemployable is how most people end up institutionalised in the benefits system.
But he doesn’t care about that. This isn’t a serious policy. It’s just Sunak desperately trying to appease the Tory bastard wing to extend his pathetic leadership for the few months left to him.
Vicious, self-interested little shit that he is.
Oh look they’re punching down again. I can’t think of anything this current government has done in good faith.
Desprate attempt to get old people to vote for them again
£26.8 billion waste under Sunak but I’m sure my seizure disorder is the problem
A little fictional scene:
Leader “We’re gonna lose the election chaps and chapettes, time to roll out our batshit crazy policies for the red-top press to tell the electorate what to vote for.”
Sidekick grins “Best case we lose and the other lot is fucked for 4 years, then we will be back once they started to fix it!”
Leader chuckles “If we do get in on these policies, were gonna get rich(er).”
Sounds of whoops and high-fives emanate from the general Westminster area.
“The introduction of a new fraud bill to treat benefit fraud like tax fraud” – I guess that means they are going to ignore most of it then!
That sounds like someone really caring for the people of Britain, make them suffer more.
I don’t know why the Job centre is called the Job centre. It doesn’t help you find a job. You literally go in they look at what you have applied for and say okay. I’m out of work I’m not getting call backs from even shitty packing jobs. I want to work I’ll do warehouse or clean toilets for minimum wage as I’m fed up of living in poverty on UC. Im looking forward to buying meat again, UC ain’t luxury.
…but will do nothing about billionaires tax avoidance, which would arguably generate more money for the government.
Remember kids, Never Vote Tory
Sick notes to be handed out by assessors (no details as of yet).
Anyone want to bet that they will be farmed out to incompetent private companies run by tory donors?
This is where his focus goes when the country is skint, to those who are the skint. Not to the rich pushing as much money as they can to make sure the rules stay the way they are.
Rich want to stay rich, and keep everyone else skint.
LOL look how angry he made the room. Job done Rishi. Of course there’s no actual debate here, every normal person broadly accepts the same social contract as it has always thus been.
If Tories have a genius for anything it’s the sweet spot of making us shout at the poorest like we are doing them an absolute favour.
Stay mad. x
> Removing benefits after 12 months for those deemed fit for work but who do not comply with conditions set by their work coach – such as accepting a job offer
The law already exists for higher-level sanctions in this regard;
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/5/section/26 (2)(c)
They are simply turning this into a ticking time bomb and putting unimaginable pressure on claimants.
>Tightening the work capability assessment so those with less severe conditions will be expected to seek employment
Don’t even know what this means. The assessment practically looks at everything already you could reasonably look at in the appointment time given.
>A review of the fit note system to focus on what someone can do, to be carried out by independent assessors rather than GPs
So likely what this means is that you go from someone assessing your health that is qualified, to likely someone who is unqualified or some sort of ‘physician associate’ at best.
>Changes to the rules so someone working less than half of a full-time week will have to look for more work
There are reasons you can have less expected hours. One of them for example is if you are a responsible carer, I can only see this driving people out of employment to maintain their caring responsibilities rather than driving their employment hours up. Short-sighted and quite dangerous honestly.
> A consultation on PIP to look at eligibility changes and targeted support – such as offering talking therapies instead of cash payments
Seems like a stealthy way of removing choice from the claimant, potentially putting them in hardship and also defunding the NHS. It’s the first step of a very long road before they introduce a mandatory benefit entitlement before you can get access to therapy.
> The introduction of a new fraud bill to treat benefit fraud like tax fraud, with new powers to make seizures and arrests.
Let’s hope it works to actually deal with bad guys…
All seems like a load of absolute bollocks to me.
12 months later….. why is everyone killing themselves
I think there should be system- that those who get jobless benefit , to work symbolic just 4 hours a week near they living address: for example picking rubish, o clean public service offices…
Stop the boats. Stop the scroungers. Stop the genders.
I’m just happy we don’t have anything fundamentally wrong with the fabric of society in this country so that we can focus on these fairly minor issues.
I.e. legal migration being so high, triple lock pension increases pushing up the welfare bill so high and NHS waiting lists still at critical levels while staff are burnt out and want to leave. Glad all that was sorted first.
Love it when billionaires make decisions for people struggling with life
This is definitely in poor taste, given it’s only being announced now to try and win the next election.
Being someone who has had his first breakdown during Covid, I can sympathise with people who are still not able to work. It has taken me 3 years to get back to a point where I feel myself again, able to start building myself up to work again.
If I had been pressurised back into work, I can guarantee I would have been distressed, absent minded and unable to complete basic tasks. The funny thing is, I used to put pressure on myself to work, I used to sit at my computer and just stare at the screen getting frustrated that I couldn’t focus on anything.
I’ve had to privately fund my recovery and experiment with different therapies. I can’t imagine what it must be like for someone who doesn’t have that luxury, anti-depressants alone are not the solution. Talking therapy is a start, however it needs to be more than a few sessions.
wait a minute, how did this skank get into power again?
Can we also remove landleaches’ houses if they don’t get a proper job for 12 months?