The Supreme Court Has Already Botched the Trump Immunity Case
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/opinion/supreme-court-trump-immunity.html
The Supreme Court Has Already Botched the Trump Immunity Case
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/opinion/supreme-court-trump-immunity.html
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By failing to reject it.
Something tells me that they will come up with some questionable, reality altering reason to decide that previous Presidencies were immune, but going forward they would not have immunity without Congress granting its to them….. Or some such bullshit.
If the court decides that Trump had full immunity, that means that Biden currently has carte blanche to commit as many crimes as he wants to keep Trump out of office…by any means.
This is so beyond disgusting. While even a stacked super majority won’t in a million years find that a president is completely unaccountable for any crimes they commit, I really hate the whole thing where they’re pretending this was some kind of hard decision. The only reason they didn’t respond with the only reply it deserves (“LOL, no.”) is to give Trump his much needed delay.
The arrogance of pretending this is going to appear anything except corrupt really shows how untouchable they think they are. Supreme Court reforms absolutely need to be put back on the table. Otherwise we’re just getting started with what will be a full generation of constant overreaching.
The crucial delay they gave the trump sort of ensures that he doesn’t face trial until after the election which come with all sorts of issues.
Immunity to any President let alone Trump, fully negates the Supreme Court and the DOJ as a whole. They’d be fools to shoot themselves in the foot by granting immunity so I expect it to happen.
Simply taking the case up means that they believe the Supreme Court should be the ultimate authority on this issue, which is just insane. It means that any other time a president or former president decides they want to take this issue up, precendent is there for the court to take it up (since the SCOTUS is clearly of the belief that NOTHING is settled law). And so its only a matter of time until this is ruled in favor of someone and then we have a dictatorship.
If Trump is above the law then we ALL are above the law!
235 years and 43 prior presidents, not a single one has cried about needing immunity*
*taken from a friends post that might have been a repost.
It’s amazing how the Supreme Court is tip toeing around such a blatant threat to democracy by all definitions.
A bunch of crooked ass easily bought Supreme Court justice clowns should not have the final say in anything we should
-Americans
Our system is corrupt and broken. Until our government deals with that things will continue.
And they’ll give him immunity anyway.
Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
I’m pessimistic that the Supreme Court will pull some shenanigans for Trump on this one, but I don’t really understand what any of them would gain from that. It would just further their image of being illegitimate, and Trump can’t offer them anything they don’t already have.
Anyone think that that picture is an optical illusion?
They’re about to criminalize homelessness, what wild far right wet dream are we living in!
They know this.
Fact of the matter is they want to appease Trump by delaying the process past the election. They want him to get away with it, but can’t so blatantly say “yeah, the president is immune across the board, before-during-after being president”.
So, helping via Trumps delay tactic is the way to go.
> the court’s delay may have stripped citizens of the criminal justice system’s most effective mechanism for determining disputed facts: a trial before a judge and a jury, where the law and the facts can be weighed and resolved.
> It is this forum — and the resolution it provides — that Mr. Trump seeks, at all costs, to avoid. It is not surprising that he loudly proclaims his innocence in the court of public opinion. What is surprising is that the nation’s highest court has interjected itself in a way that facilitates his efforts to avoid a legal reckoning.
botched, or fixed? Given the way they got into the position (as has been mentioned) and what have you, is anything really going against the “plan” or agenda intended when they were installed as totally not impartial justices?
Fucking wild idea: Biden announces that on date X, absent a ruling from the Supreme Court, he will exercise power as he sees fit understanding that in the pursuance of the duties of his office, while President of the United States, he has immunity from prosecution.
(leave it unsaid exactly what that would entail)
Nothing would make them rule faster.
SCOTUS: A potential Constitutional crisis? We are speed!
Also SCOTUS: Trump prosecution question? Oh look, our schedule is full!
I wouldn’t be shocked if they found some way to rule in Trump’s favor on this but there’s no way they’re giving broad immunity like that because sometimes people they do not like will be President. Do you think they’d abolish the separation of powers that keeps them secure in their positions? I don’t think so.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Constitution doesn’t have any clear guidance on how the Supreme Court can be structured right? Article 3 just states that it should exist and that you can’t lower SCOTUS pay, and that they remain in their position for life unless they act without good behavior (ahem….Thomas)
Couldn’t Biden then stack the court by creating a side bench to the current structure to rotate in Justices, with an additional retroactive addendum that once a Justice is seated for let’s say 10 years, they get placed on the bench until the next one hits 10 years?
Meaning he could keep it at 9, but add 4 new Justices, forcing 4 off the court to sit the bench and ultimately getting rid of the 3 most conservative Justices, but without them having to resign or have a reduction in pay.
Would leave the 3 newest Bigot Justices and then Brown Jackson and Kagan while allowing Biden to then add 4 new Justices. The bench is still a Justice, but just no longer weigh in on opinions until they are back in rotation.
I guess that’s convoluted but since it’s unlikely to get a bill passed that forces the Supreme Court into term limits this seems like a good alternative to just stacking 13 total cause then it limits the bad actors by making it harder to purchase them with houses, trips, and RVs.
States rights? Blue states should come out and say they find SCOTUS to be illegitimate and they will no longer be following them. Biden has immunity right? He can agree with them and abolish them all together. Immunity is fun! Give it to Biden please?
Our constitution literally tells us to tear down the government if this happens.
I agree. If the president has full immunity and thus becomes an autocrat he does not need a Supreme Court, he can decide everything himself.
The SCOTUS continues to be illegitimate, and puppeteering for the federalist society with their bought partisan hacks.
Everyone should be treated exactly the same way under the law. The courts and justice system have bent over backwards to accommodate Trump when they should have always made their decisions based on what would we have done to a average American accused of this. Trump is still defying that Gag order and putting people’s lives at stake. He needs to go to jail for contempt. I don’t want to see Trump or anyone else be infairly treated by the system however, if I would go to jail, be fined etc for something so should he be. If I have to a accept the verdict of a jury of my peers the so should he. The biggest problem is that it doesn’t even matter if he’s a convicted felon in prison, he could still actually be president. Seems our founding fathers never expect the voters to be stupid.
They didn’t “Botch” the case – they purposely threw it for Trump. Come on NYT do better.
SCOTUS purposely passed on getting it in December, refused to letter an almost bullet proof decision by the lower court stand, and scheduled the arguments *for the last day of the court this term*.
Am not going to hold my breath for the NYT to call it like they should (SCOTUS Corrupt for Trump) when SCOTUS doesn’t rule on this until June 30th (the traditional last day rulings come out for the term) affirming the majority of the lower court ruling.
They botched it by taking it up in the first place. Trump doesnt have immunity, theres no question for them to answer.
On the contrary, their reasoning is quite justifiable. They seek to give their Autocrat-in-waiting enough time to rise to power, and then crush the charges under his iron fist.
No they don’t see it as a loss of power, but rather as a coup against collectivism.
And together, they will rule the greatest military the world has ever seen, and ally with great powers like Russia and China. Representative governance finally defeated. The ruling class no longer held by the shackles of majority opinion.
No they haven’t.
They are just waiting for the November election results to figure out which way to rule.
If Trump wins, then presidents are above all laws.
If Biden wins, then presidents are subject to the laws.
> The Supreme Court’s review of the immunity issue delays indefinitely a jury trial of Mr. Trump’s role in obstructing the peaceful transfer of power — and therefore risks transforming our nation into a Potemkin village of democracy that bears the surface trappings of legal institutions but without actual checks on the executive branch of government.
The Federalist Society is rubbing their hands with glee. It’s all working out exactly as they planned.
Democrats need to regain control of the House so they can Impeach the corrupt Supreme Court Judges.
SC should have 20 year terms. That way they can only screw over one generation.
This is honestly something worth protesting, peacefully.
It’s botched its entire history by taking the case. Obviously there is no immunity. It’s literally just some line from Trump camp to delay a trial. It’s not a real legal argument, at all, period, end of. No basis. The Supreme Court is literally playing overt political defense for the figurehead of the conservative majority’s party, to delay reckoning for long enough to have him run in the election. Seriously. Any benefit of the doubt is absurd.
They’re going to kick back to the lower courts to clarify something obvious so they can delay the trial until after the election. If biden wins, they’ll declare the president isn’t immune. If trump wins, they probably won’t even take it up again because trump will want to prosecute biden.
US SCOTUS is corrupt. the court needs to be expanded, or they need to be removed. This small group of unelected extremists is holding far too much power of the direction of the country.