Wtf does he want to do that for? I’m pretty sure the Greens were going to vote to stay.
Please be true. I’ve waited for this day for years. Should have let a nutter like paddy anywhere near government.
I don’t believe this is Humza’s wisest move
Greens attract a larger proportion of the reactionary/right-wing electorate than many people realise. This could be a practical way to extend support for independence beyond left-wing circles, whilst in exchange pushing through environmentally friendly legislation. It makes sense.
sad day for the country but given the relentless media hounding + green members forcing a vote, Yousaf had little choice.
hopefully this serves as a turning point for the SNP.
So when he said (was it yesterday?) their members “don’t want or need” a vote on the agreement, he meant because he’s going end it for them?
Why is he so susceptible to totally avoidable daftness?
Bit of a shocking turnaround if true. At the very least, you’re left pondering why the SNP would break it off early and effectively throw the Green leadership under the bus after they appeared to back the deal.
Was the anti-Brute House that strong in the SNP? The leadership that weak? Did they get indications what way the Green membership was going to vote and pull the trigger early?
I guess we will see how the story develops.
Yousaf ran on a platform of maintaining the deal, and specifically told journalists that SNP members didn’t want or need a vote on the coalition. Now he’s switched positions, and taken the decision for them.
From one perspective it makes sense – he’s saved his own skin by avoiding a membership vote against the deal, which would undercut his intra-party authority to the point where he’d almost be forced to resign.
But it makes him look flippant, weak, and unable to predict where things are going next. It’s not the sort of mindset you’d want in a council leader, let alone the premier of an independent country – which could be a real electoral liability too.
I thought last week the first minister said he was happy being in government with the green party and didn’t want it to end or was I mishearing
I’ll wait and see what happens but this is frankly cowardice.
Cards on the table: against my better judgement I was going to WEAKLY vote to remain in the BHA, to make sure we got existing pieces of legislation over the line. And depending on the situation at the time of the EGM, then I might have been convinced otherwise.
But they’ve had a few days of realising that you can’t pull the wool over Green rank and file, and rather than make some solid attempts to convince us over the following weeks that we should stay, this just vindicates the position of those who wanted out.
I don’t doubt it’s also to try and head off any further articles displaying that unlike the other Holyrood four, we have actual functioning party democracy and leadership accountable to membership (though tbf I genuinely haven’t seen calls within the party to say our co-leaders should step down, we’re not after scalps). The other parties would probably not like their members to start asking “wait, why ARE we so centralised?”
Ah, the battle to decide who dumped whom. Very grown up and sensible.
Good. The Greens are a completely disastrous bunch, unpopular, unrepresentative of the electorate, and with a nasty authoritarian streak. They have no business being near power.
I think this underlines that Harvie would not have survived his upcoming confidence vote in the Parliament.
Would have had this weird scenario where the co-leader is not in the Government.
Get ready, everybody. He’s about to do something stupid.
You didn’t dump me, I dumped you!!
To be honest this is a wise move for SNP, saying this as currentlty not a fan.
Being pulled into green “movements” with politicians in the greens that should really be nowhere near power.
They are incompetent, delusional and have damaged SNPS standing.
Probably the wisest move for now. Unfortunately people won’t be able to blame the Greens for the inevitable next blunder
Oh good. Greens out of government and Patrick Harvie fucking off to the sidelines.
Excellent for Scotland all round, really.
On the morning of FMQs as well, interesting
How many wheels are left on the camper van.
Surprised at this. Interesting times!
Parish council has spat. More at 10.
In the words of Roy Orbison, “It’s OVER!”
Ok we’re half way there, just need the SNP out now
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Wtf does he want to do that for? I’m pretty sure the Greens were going to vote to stay.
Please be true. I’ve waited for this day for years. Should have let a nutter like paddy anywhere near government.
I don’t believe this is Humza’s wisest move
Greens attract a larger proportion of the reactionary/right-wing electorate than many people realise. This could be a practical way to extend support for independence beyond left-wing circles, whilst in exchange pushing through environmentally friendly legislation. It makes sense.
sad day for the country but given the relentless media hounding + green members forcing a vote, Yousaf had little choice.
hopefully this serves as a turning point for the SNP.
So when he said (was it yesterday?) their members “don’t want or need” a vote on the agreement, he meant because he’s going end it for them?
Why is he so susceptible to totally avoidable daftness?
Bit of a shocking turnaround if true. At the very least, you’re left pondering why the SNP would break it off early and effectively throw the Green leadership under the bus after they appeared to back the deal.
Was the anti-Brute House that strong in the SNP? The leadership that weak? Did they get indications what way the Green membership was going to vote and pull the trigger early?
I guess we will see how the story develops.
Yousaf ran on a platform of maintaining the deal, and specifically told journalists that SNP members didn’t want or need a vote on the coalition. Now he’s switched positions, and taken the decision for them.
From one perspective it makes sense – he’s saved his own skin by avoiding a membership vote against the deal, which would undercut his intra-party authority to the point where he’d almost be forced to resign.
But it makes him look flippant, weak, and unable to predict where things are going next. It’s not the sort of mindset you’d want in a council leader, let alone the premier of an independent country – which could be a real electoral liability too.
I thought last week the first minister said he was happy being in government with the green party and didn’t want it to end or was I mishearing
I’ll wait and see what happens but this is frankly cowardice.
Cards on the table: against my better judgement I was going to WEAKLY vote to remain in the BHA, to make sure we got existing pieces of legislation over the line. And depending on the situation at the time of the EGM, then I might have been convinced otherwise.
But they’ve had a few days of realising that you can’t pull the wool over Green rank and file, and rather than make some solid attempts to convince us over the following weeks that we should stay, this just vindicates the position of those who wanted out.
I don’t doubt it’s also to try and head off any further articles displaying that unlike the other Holyrood four, we have actual functioning party democracy and leadership accountable to membership (though tbf I genuinely haven’t seen calls within the party to say our co-leaders should step down, we’re not after scalps). The other parties would probably not like their members to start asking “wait, why ARE we so centralised?”
Ah, the battle to decide who dumped whom. Very grown up and sensible.
Good. The Greens are a completely disastrous bunch, unpopular, unrepresentative of the electorate, and with a nasty authoritarian streak. They have no business being near power.
I think this underlines that Harvie would not have survived his upcoming confidence vote in the Parliament.
Would have had this weird scenario where the co-leader is not in the Government.
Get ready, everybody. He’s about to do something stupid.
You didn’t dump me, I dumped you!!
To be honest this is a wise move for SNP, saying this as currentlty not a fan.
Being pulled into green “movements” with politicians in the greens that should really be nowhere near power.
They are incompetent, delusional and have damaged SNPS standing.
Probably the wisest move for now. Unfortunately people won’t be able to blame the Greens for the inevitable next blunder
Oh good. Greens out of government and Patrick Harvie fucking off to the sidelines.
Excellent for Scotland all round, really.
On the morning of FMQs as well, interesting
How many wheels are left on the camper van.
Surprised at this. Interesting times!
Parish council has spat. More at 10.
In the words of Roy Orbison, “It’s OVER!”
Ok we’re half way there, just need the SNP out now
Hopefully the SNP can fuck off too.
Could this trigger an election?