Macron Says Europe Can No Longer Rely on US for Its Security
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-25/macron-says-eu-can-no-longer-rely-on-us-for-its-security?leadSource=reddit_wall
by saltyswedishmeatball
Macron Says Europe Can No Longer Rely on US for Its Security
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-25/macron-says-eu-can-no-longer-rely-on-us-for-its-security?leadSource=reddit_wall
by saltyswedishmeatball
43 comments
Why? Because the Tumpist faszists have lost their minds?
Well, neither can many European countries rely solely on their EU allies. I don’t even imagine what our defense situation would be without the US and the UK.
So please buy our French submarines and aircraft! /s
On a more serious note, I have to agree, we shouldn’t. Even if we can, we should be able to defend ourselves and view the US as an ally only, not our bodyguard.
The American security umbrella was never suppose to be a thing!!!! Multiple presidents have been pressuring NATO countries to spend more on defense. The US by far has given the most military aid to Ukraine. So yes, Europe should build up its defenses, but dont make it seem like the US is doing anything different.
We are stationing troops and doing training with the countries bordering Russia to show our commitment. We also keep boosting our Military spending, its over 900 billion! Stop saying we are not doing our part.
It’s stupid Europe did for so long. The last 20 years Europe just totally let its guard down.
The GOP made sure of that. Hopefully we’ll be better allies after this year’s election.
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Yeah about time
Really we just passed a security bill for Ukraine and in less then one day we are unreliable…screw you Macron, what a judgmental ass. Compared to the paltry numbers France have given to Ukraine, the disaster that was French policy towards Russia till the war started, I will say Europe cannot rely on France for its security.
His assessment is right, and our Maga republican groupie clowns are not reliable anytime soon. If the Orange prophet gets elected and his minions will start enforcing the isolationist agenda, then the first thing that will do is sell Ukraine and Europe. In the long run, Europe needs to take control of its own security and stop relying on anyone.
Germany has double the GDP of Russia so in theory they can afford to beat Russia alone but they don’t spend money on the problem. Russia spend way higher proportion of GDP. Bare minimum, individual countries need to be preparing like they might fight Russia alone. WW3 is coming if not.
Europe can and should work with its ally USA for their common/ global securities based on fair and equal terms. However, EU needs to be able to stand on its own and not rely/depend/dedicated on/by USA when issues of differences arises.
I think everyone agrees with him that it’s time for Europe to take the lead.
It is strange timing after the massive 60B aid package though. Macron seems to rely on rhetoric more than anything.
Good.
Now do something instead of repeating this mantra every month.
Should have been done decades ago.
Again?
All happened under biden btw. Would have been better to have a bidet as president.
It’s in fact the only country we can rely on because Macron keeps putting out these biweekly press releases without actually doing anything of substance
LeTs BuiLd Le NeW mAgInOt LiNe!
… worst case out pilots can fly for USAF …
Did he mean that in the sense that the US is no longer reliable, or the the Europe just needs to take care of itself on principle?
Nothing else going on in France?
It’s nice to see Macron has finally woke up from his slumber and engaged in critical thinking activities. He has been progressing by the day, and that really is a silver lining.
Okay so should the US not send the 64 billion dollars in aid?
The USA is being rotted from within by progressives and radical Islamists. Coming soon in Europe.
Relying on anyone for defence is always a bad thing.
But I try to imagine what is Macron’s vision of a EU / NATO without US defensive sponsorship / cooperation. The only thing this will lead to, is basically EU becoming frenemies with Russia, like Finland after WW2, or Hungary now, while hugely reducing ties with US.
Industry in Germany / France is in severe withdrawal after cheap hydrocarbns from Russia. I’m sure the top 0.01% are aching to get their energy fix back. This path will lead us to a Europe where you they would call likes of Orban as “a great thinker, a visionary, way ahead of his time”. Just lick russia’s balls and get economic benefits in return.
However, as devil’s advocate, Europe will always be at a strategic disadvantage without Russia’s resources.
Actions, not words. For now US seems to be a better guarantee of security than EU.
From the guy who declared NATO clinically dead not long before the Ukrainian agression by Moscovia.
He’s just mad joint production deals are no going to French companies…
Good. First step is realizing the problem. Now let’s actually do something about it.
No American ally can. The internal political divide has widened way too much.
I mean, yeah, need to start paying the bills.
Damn right
It can rely on US lot more than on France, though
I always wondered why the presidents always say these so normal things only close to their final mandate and never at the start or at least during it?! Yes, he’s right! Europe can die! Our values can go if we don’t defend them ourselves!!!
He is right.
Europe should be able to defend itself without help. We went from a military powerhouse before the world wars to the “if you touch me I call me bigger brother, he has nukes”.
We need to defend ourselves and our interests like everyone is doing out there.
He thinks he’s Napoleon
Particularly since the GOP wants it to fall under Russian rule
Macron is right and we shouldn’t have to begin with. The USA is right about this.
Macron is right, this aid package for Ukraine ( such as it is, late and underbaked ) is likely the last comming from the US.
The EU ( especially France which per GDP lags far behind ) must pick up the slack from now on.
How many more times is this article going to be posted here?
Bro acting like interner explorer
As a German, I can’t stand behind cooperating with someone who is so adamantly opposed to NATO.
On it’s surface this is a no brainer. But I think some people forget how expensive that is. You want to be totally independent and be able to defend yourself? You gotta spend a fuckton. There’s a reason the US has education, healthcare, and other issues. We shit cash on our military. You might have to make some sacrifices or jack up taxes.