Tories are doing a VONC on Humza Yousaf (new FM), Labour are wanting to do a VONC on the government.
But unlike the VONC on Humza Yousaf, this vote is binding, and he and ministers would need to resign.
>Unlike the Scottish Conservative’s planned vote of no confidence against Humza Yousaf, a vote of no confidence in the administration would require the First Minister and his ministers to resign.
the Greens won’t back this. they might back the VONC on Yousaf (Slater sounded unsure earlier) but surely they’re not going to vote no confidence in a govt they were part of until yesterday morning.
Labour have overplayed their hand here.
This makes it more likely the Greens will abstain.
This is actually good news for the SNP.
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Some interesting timeline questions:
* Could the SNP sort themselves out between now and 2026?
* Could Scottish Labour deliver anything out of the likely parliament between now and 2026?
Played badly, Labour could inherit a shitshow parliament, and flail around a bit, and be dependent on Starmer delivering more than he’s made a point of promising to give them a boost.
Edit: For the SNP: question 1 still applies, and what can they deliver between now and 2026?
Labour calling for a general election in Scotland now, thinking they can win – polling does suggest that.
But imo, it’s a bit stupid from them, because even if there is one in 2024, there will still have to be one in 2026.
This could lead to people rejecting SNP in 2024, SNP get clear out the deadwood and potentially looking like a different party in 2026.
Lots of ifs, I know but I think labour are better not being in-government in Scotland until 2026. It’s a gamble for sure.
I don’t know if this is a miscalculation by Labour. The Tory motion is just in Yousaf himself and does not carry the same legal weight. However it is very hard to see how an FM could carry on having lost such a vote, even if he technically could be the letter of the law. Politically, the effect would likely be the same as a VONC in the Gov.
The difference is that surely the Greens are more likely to vote down an FM they are describing as a “coward” who “can’t be trusted” and is in hoc to “reactionaries” than they are a government they were a part of 2 days ago and whose achievements they remain nominally proud of.
The fact there are two motions may make it easier for the Greens to vote to save the government but vote down Yousaf, which would give cover for either Humza to say the position is unclear or for an alternative SNP FM to take over.
LABOUR WHAT ARE YOU DOING NO.
This would require the Greens, Alba, and about a third of the SNP to functionally vote for another election *on top of* the 2026 election, and none of the Scotland-only parties can afford it. It’s completely doomed to fail.
I know they don’t want to be seen as getting outflanked on the unionist ranks by the Tories, but they could just sit this out and let the FM VONC happen and then threaten a Gov one if the SNP install a conservative leader. Now they’ve made that opportunity a no-go, and if they’ve pinned their colours to this mast it’s going to hurt their polling to be seen as opportunists when they are otherwise likely to do well next time.
It’s the same fucking problem Yousaf had – if he’d just sat down and shut up he could have avoided being seen as the bad guy if the Greens had left, but he had to just be seen to be doing something for the sake of it. Amateur hour all round.
UK Labour doing UK Tories work, again. One pod; two peas.
Ooooooh did Sir Keir personally phone Sarwar, I doubt it minion to minion I’d imagine. Westminster calling.Today’s instructions for the branch office are…..you will do as you are told!
😂😂😂
no party other than SNP/Greens is going to mitigate the shitshow that is wastemonster. So you kind of have to put up with them as the alternative is unthinkable.
Think Labour have only done this as they were slower than the Tories in lodging a no confidence vote!
Will be interesting to see up to date polling to see the impact of this. I’m not really sure who gains or loses seats at this point – especially given the Holyrood voting system. I think a lot of SNP voters were second vote Green to maximise independence supporting MSPs – would they be so willing to do the same now? Less Green votes may mean Unionists squeaking through on lists.
Update from Rachel Reeves:
>UK Labour’s Rachel Reeves has said voting to bring down the SNP government and forcing an election in Scotland is the right thing to do for the people of Scotland.
>The shadow chancellor said: “We will back the motion of no confidence in Humza Yousaf, but we’ve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish government and if Anas Sarwar and Scottish Labour are successful with that amendment the government will fall and they’ll be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in Scotland.
>”The chaos and division at the heart of the SNP Is having a real impact on public services and the lives and communities across Scotland and we now have two broken governments – The SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in Westminster.
>“It is time for fresh elections in Scotland and across the UK” she said.
Labour to the Tories; YOU’RE NOT DESTROYING THE SNP, ***WE’RE*** DESTORYING THE SNP.
The Greens; It’s not really upto you is it?
SNP Rebels; Hold my Communion Cup.
This is playing into our Green Green hands, we can kick out Humza, and we can Give the Government back to the SNP as an olive Branch.
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Tories are doing a VONC on Humza Yousaf (new FM), Labour are wanting to do a VONC on the government.
But unlike the VONC on Humza Yousaf, this vote is binding, and he and ministers would need to resign.
>Unlike the Scottish Conservative’s planned vote of no confidence against Humza Yousaf, a vote of no confidence in the administration would require the First Minister and his ministers to resign.
the Greens won’t back this. they might back the VONC on Yousaf (Slater sounded unsure earlier) but surely they’re not going to vote no confidence in a govt they were part of until yesterday morning.
Labour have overplayed their hand here.
This makes it more likely the Greens will abstain.
This is actually good news for the SNP.
[removed]
Some interesting timeline questions:
* Could the SNP sort themselves out between now and 2026?
* Could Scottish Labour deliver anything out of the likely parliament between now and 2026?
Played badly, Labour could inherit a shitshow parliament, and flail around a bit, and be dependent on Starmer delivering more than he’s made a point of promising to give them a boost.
Edit: For the SNP: question 1 still applies, and what can they deliver between now and 2026?
Labour calling for a general election in Scotland now, thinking they can win – polling does suggest that.
But imo, it’s a bit stupid from them, because even if there is one in 2024, there will still have to be one in 2026.
This could lead to people rejecting SNP in 2024, SNP get clear out the deadwood and potentially looking like a different party in 2026.
Lots of ifs, I know but I think labour are better not being in-government in Scotland until 2026. It’s a gamble for sure.
I don’t know if this is a miscalculation by Labour. The Tory motion is just in Yousaf himself and does not carry the same legal weight. However it is very hard to see how an FM could carry on having lost such a vote, even if he technically could be the letter of the law. Politically, the effect would likely be the same as a VONC in the Gov.
The difference is that surely the Greens are more likely to vote down an FM they are describing as a “coward” who “can’t be trusted” and is in hoc to “reactionaries” than they are a government they were a part of 2 days ago and whose achievements they remain nominally proud of.
The fact there are two motions may make it easier for the Greens to vote to save the government but vote down Yousaf, which would give cover for either Humza to say the position is unclear or for an alternative SNP FM to take over.
LABOUR WHAT ARE YOU DOING NO.
This would require the Greens, Alba, and about a third of the SNP to functionally vote for another election *on top of* the 2026 election, and none of the Scotland-only parties can afford it. It’s completely doomed to fail.
I know they don’t want to be seen as getting outflanked on the unionist ranks by the Tories, but they could just sit this out and let the FM VONC happen and then threaten a Gov one if the SNP install a conservative leader. Now they’ve made that opportunity a no-go, and if they’ve pinned their colours to this mast it’s going to hurt their polling to be seen as opportunists when they are otherwise likely to do well next time.
It’s the same fucking problem Yousaf had – if he’d just sat down and shut up he could have avoided being seen as the bad guy if the Greens had left, but he had to just be seen to be doing something for the sake of it. Amateur hour all round.
UK Labour doing UK Tories work, again. One pod; two peas.
Ooooooh did Sir Keir personally phone Sarwar, I doubt it minion to minion I’d imagine. Westminster calling.Today’s instructions for the branch office are…..you will do as you are told!
😂😂😂
no party other than SNP/Greens is going to mitigate the shitshow that is wastemonster. So you kind of have to put up with them as the alternative is unthinkable.
Think Labour have only done this as they were slower than the Tories in lodging a no confidence vote!
Will be interesting to see up to date polling to see the impact of this. I’m not really sure who gains or loses seats at this point – especially given the Holyrood voting system. I think a lot of SNP voters were second vote Green to maximise independence supporting MSPs – would they be so willing to do the same now? Less Green votes may mean Unionists squeaking through on lists.
Update from Rachel Reeves:
>UK Labour’s Rachel Reeves has said voting to bring down the SNP government and forcing an election in Scotland is the right thing to do for the people of Scotland.
>The shadow chancellor said: “We will back the motion of no confidence in Humza Yousaf, but we’ve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish government and if Anas Sarwar and Scottish Labour are successful with that amendment the government will fall and they’ll be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in Scotland.
>”The chaos and division at the heart of the SNP Is having a real impact on public services and the lives and communities across Scotland and we now have two broken governments – The SNP in Scotland and the Conservatives in Westminster.
>“It is time for fresh elections in Scotland and across the UK” she said.
Labour to the Tories; YOU’RE NOT DESTROYING THE SNP, ***WE’RE*** DESTORYING THE SNP.
The Greens; It’s not really upto you is it?
SNP Rebels; Hold my Communion Cup.
This is playing into our Green Green hands, we can kick out Humza, and we can Give the Government back to the SNP as an olive Branch.