Der US-Geheimdienst geht davon aus, dass Putin die Ermordung Nawalnys wahrscheinlich nicht angeordnet hat – WSJ

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1. How good is the US intelligence in Russia after 4 years of Trump?

2. Problem is, for many years now, Putin does not have to order anything… for “inconvenient” people to end up dead. His henchman know they master very well.

3. Is there really a meaningful difference between ordering the direct murder and having him imprisoned in a remote Siberian prison camp with questionable (at best) disciplinary and medical practices and him dying of “natural causes?” Putin is still the reason he is dead. And everything they say on the matter is suspect. He lost the benefit of the doubt long, long ago.

4. Doesn’t matter, Navanly ended up in a penal colony because of putins orders, so he’s directly responsible for his death.

5. Innocent!

6. He was poisoned by the FSB and placed in a penal colony. Putin didn’t order his death that specific day.

7. He was probably in bad shape before the transfer and they knew Siberia would finish him off. Condolences to his friends, family and supporters.

8. This is like saying “Al Capone didn’t **directly** order those mob hits”

9. “Who can rid me of this troublesome……..”

   Said Putain one day

10. So let me get this straight…

    To publish this article, Reuters quoted the Wall Street Journal , who quoted an unnamed source “familiar with the matter”, who said that others in his/her circle think that Putin “probably didn’t order it”… and that there was no way to determine the veracity of the original story.

    What the fuck is this? Newsception?

11. Sending him to prison was already a death sentence

12. Is WSJ still considered a reputable source? It feels like Kremlin got an approach to them somehow that let Kremlin spread their narratives through them. And it’s an anonymous source again.

13. He didn’t have to “order” it. Navalny was in the worst prison conditions in existence. Like throwing raw meat into a bear cage – “I didn’t order the bear to eat”

14. YEAH RIGHT..Russia propaganda being spread to a agent in WSJ to spread lies.Believe nothing that comes from Russia..Russia is 110% aligned with China North Korea IRAN and they want to destroy the world…It’s on russian state TV all day. Don’t believe it for a second….Navalny was Putins biggest opposition.

15. Probalyl not, he wanted to punish him and demonstrate the power of Putin, but It’s suspected that long term poor living conditions and torture reduces ones life span dramatically.

16. K ” ,

17. I don’t think anyone would argue that Putin didn’t at least indirectly cause his death. But this misses the point, keeping Navalny in prison and alive seems a better choice than to kill him.

    Putin needs to give the illusion that he is not a dictator to the Russian people. Russian politics in the last 20 years has been centered around being able to shift blame for the country’s problems away from Putin and onto subordinates and opposing political figures.

18. The WSJ is no longer a paper of record I put much stock in. It’s semantics to suggest that the prior poisoning episodes and ritual starvation in a gulag wasn’t murder. It also ignore the nesting doll contradictions of life in Russia…a lie wrapped in a lie placed in an enigma surrounded with a mystery. Believe nothing, expect worse than you might imagine.

19. Ya sure.

20. The Wall Street Journal is owned by Murdoch of Fox News fame. It is not a credible source.

21. An indication of a deal?

22. Sure… That’s why Navalny was in Siberian prison, having a very healthy and prosperous life, fed with the best food and drink available to russian’s elite… /S

23. It is obvious that he is to blame for his death. When the people are against the government, a strong leader like Navalny poses a threat to the government. I live in Russia, and those who haven’t been brainwashed yet know the real cause of Alexei’s death. We mourn his death..

24. We may be the ignorant masses but we are not stupid. Putin definitely wanted Navalny dead. And when he wants someone gone, they get gone

25. Already preparing for their new boss Fuhrer Trump

26. This is beyond shilling when your master daddy even says it’s not true and you still push for it to be true unbelievable

27. I believe it, but it makes no difference in the end.

28. It’s a possibility, pretty often the boot lickers act on their own to please the master. Yet, between ordering it and making those boot lickers he wants it…

29. If people only read the article instead of reacting to a headline.

    “It said Washington had not absolved the Russian leader of overall responsibility for Navalny’s death however, given the opposition politician had been targeted by Russian authorities for years, jailed on charges the West said were politically motivated, and had been poisoned in 2020 with a nerve agent”

30. That’s what Budanov has said from the beginning.

    Didn’t really have to though, did he?

31. Horse shit.

32. Well, Putin would have us believe that the US intelligence agencies themselves are responsible. It’s fuel for conspiracy theories, who had the most to gain? If US intelligence says he didn’t do it, then who else is on the list and what would the motivation be?

33. Well if continue to investigate his death and find Putin is not responsible , we will see what happens with the Sanctions applied to it .

34. Even if not, it happened on his watch, with Navalny being a political prisoner and the opposition

35. Trump is desperate to bring Putin’s style of leadership to Washington.