Germany afraid to seize Russian frozen assets for fear Russia could demand retributions for WW2. But Germany’s responsibility before Ukraine for WW2 is much bigger, – Yale Prof. Timothy Snyder
by HydrolicKrane
Germany afraid to seize Russian frozen assets for fear Russia could demand retributions for WW2. But Germany’s responsibility before Ukraine for WW2 is much bigger, – Yale Prof. Timothy Snyder
by HydrolicKrane
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Err…what? No, the gov here (and many others) opposes it because it potentially breaks a fuckton of laws.
If I’ve ever seen an article that is just pure speculation, this one tops the list.
**EDIT:** of course the headline only mentions “Berlin”, and only later adds thats a bunch of other european countries and institutions also oppose it. And people wonder why less and less people here trust our partners anymore with bullshit like that.
If they want to build on the headway made since WWII, they must find the courage to combat tyranny with all the tools available and ensure it stays dead and buried. There is no middle road.
Russia can demand, and Germany can tell Russia to fuck off. Easy solution.
Why would Germany care about Russia demanding reparations if it doesn’t care about Poland doing just that. In both cases the question is settled and the reparations are paid. Unfortunately for Poland Russia just took their share, but still, the matter is settled. Anyways, the whole argument presented here makes no sense.
Also, if you really want to knock down Germany’s public support for Ukraine, just start asking for reparations. Worked wonders in the German-Polish relations.
didnt they pay reparations to soviets already?
German people have performed their penance with flying colors. Be free. Be proud. Be German !
If Russia wants *further* reparations, they should return Koenigsberg.
Thats bullshit and fake news. Get your shit together. Who would believe such a bs?
Here in Germany there is discussion about what to do with the Russian assets, but whatever that Yale dude is on about is not really part of that discussion. It might come as a surprise, but sometimes in Germany it’s not about WW2.
Nations demanding additional reparations is pretty much tradition at this point, as is the official answer: Nein.
What? No? Where would anyone even start getting such an idea?
You think Russia could just demand trillions of dollars from Germany and Germany would have to give it or something?
Russia already got its reparations when it took millions of German citizens as slave labour.
Hahahaha, sure.
Right after Russia pays back the money from the Lend-lease-act as they are the legal sucessor of the Soviet Union.
Russia didn’t even exist in WW2
I’d just say yes. Then class those reparations as the fiscal donations to the Ukraine as russian reparations.
Huh why would Germany care?
Poland demands retribution for ages and Germany ignores it
Stop spreading lies told by a Professor who is clearly full of shit and did not do his homework. All you do is hurting our relationship.
It’s a EUROPEAN discussion about what will happen with the frozen assets and has nothing to do with fear that Russia could demand retributions. They can’t and if they try to we would just tell them to F off.
Dear Germany, find your values and stand by them. Sincerely, A German
Eh, Russia spent decades extracting reparations from all of Eastern Europe.
The government responsible for ww2 no longer exists. Therefore, the current government cannot be held responsible. Take the assets.
Isi the best time to do it, because if the Russians do demand it, the whole rest of the world will tell them to pound sand.
I mean… we been ignoring calls for reperations from Poland and Greece for ages now. I’m sure we can manage to ignore calls from Russia just the same
This can’t be serious, what the fuck?
This is some sort of BS. WW2 has been settled. The Soviets stole all the equipment they couldn’t find enslaved half of Germany for 50 years. Modern Germany owns nothing to the county that cosplay its darkest past.
Well I haven’t noticed anywhere in the article where Snyder says that Germany should seize Russian assets because of its historical guilt. This is actually a very poor way to go about this. Russian assets should be seized and passed on to Ukraine, preferably for civil reconstruction, but, I guess, we will cross that bridge when we get to it. But that should be done because Russia owes Ukraine, not because Germany does so. What’s the point of guilt tripping Germany into doing something which is technically also wrong and illegal? Two wrongs don’t necessarily make a right.
What’s happening with all those tribunals and war crimes investigations? There were so many articles about people coming to Bucha and other places and documenting, and witnessing, and taking pictures, and making speeches? Well? Surely there is enough evidence to pass a judgement by now. Shouldn’t that alone not warrant at least a partial transfer of assets as part of the damages settlement?
Ahhh. Fuck em. These rotten Russian shitbags. Hope they die soon and stop ruining the world.
Send them some Bombs on Moscow. Enough reperations paid.
Why even negotiate with terrorists? What are they going to do? Invade another country? Oh wait …
“Russia could demand”
Stopped reading there because honestly, who gives AF what Russia demands ?
Why doesn’t Germany ask for reparations for the occupation of East Germany. I don’t understand how this cannot be seen as anything else.
Seems like no one here has actually read the article or watched Snyder’s speech. He doesn’t say what OP claims in the title.
Is this some clickbait bs or is this actually true? are the politicians really our chains that badly?
That’s ridiculous. The Soviet army plundered Eastern Europe and tried to kill 11 million ethnic Germans living there. The refugees got saved by moving west with the retreating German army. The German army found people in trains being sent to gulags when they stormed Ukraine. The Soviets raped millions of women and executed and tortured countless people during the war. The idea that Germany owes them anything is laughable, especially when they’re the furthest thing from a peaceful nation.
You’d think Germany would not care considering how badly Russians treated German pows
I can’t but agree with Snyder here. But when he says that Putin’s denial of Ukraine as a nation is genocidal and then he does the same to Rusyns, an indigenous ethnic group in the Carpathians,, what does that make him? You can read more here: [https://rusynsociety.com/2023/04/03/where-timothy-snyder-falls-pitifully-short/](https://rusynsociety.com/2023/04/03/where-timothy-snyder-falls-pitifully-short/)
I knew something was up with Germany taking so long to give Ukraine stuff ,now we know the fear the Putler
This fucking people (german politicians) haha what a load of cucks
To be fair, wouldnt a good deal of German reparations from WW2 go to Ukraine? :Bigbrain:
If they do that the US just demands repayment for all the lend-lease supplied to Russia during WWII.
And will happily deduct it from what Russia says Germany owes it.
Both playing German fault like a fiddle. As an immigrant in Germany that knows how effective this shit is, can only applaud.
Well didn’t rhe soviets keep the prisoners forever after the war to rebuild their country? Also just tell them the check is in the mail and fuck off
Putin says the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact is fake news and that the Soviets never invaded Poland as part of agreements that started the War, because he says its not true does not make it so. Once again Russia is an aggressor and plays the victim. Germany paid its retribution to the Soviets both in material destruction and with deaths and rapes of civilians furthermore it was a divided for decades while Communism controlled the assets of the East.