Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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So is everyone else!
When most people say that he will end democracy they don’t actually believe it. If they did, they would have followed my lead and voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries.
There *was* two chances to beat him. Everyone pissed away the first chance. 🤬🤬
I think a lot of us are. There’s a difference between pushing a party in a certain direction and going so far that you hurt your own interests.
The election is more than one person or one issue, and a Trump Presidency will have horrific consequences decades and generations after Biden is gone.
I agree. They are.
Not only the threat to themselves, but also the threat to the Palestinians that they allegedly care about.
There is not a single issue that majorities of young people care about that will improve under Trump.
I do as well. I’m a left leaning millennial, but the gen z side has literally been brainwashed by Muslim extremists with some even screaming “we are Hamas” and not allowing Jewish students to study. I’m all for a ceasefire and and two state solution, but anyone screaming the extremists Muslim side has been brainwashed just as much as their MAGA grandparents are on Fox News. Accelerationism is just as deplorable as MAGA and I will not argue with someone who takes those practices. Now if you wanna talk showing up in droves and making Libs the only conservatives in America, let’s talk. That future could happen if we should up and vote every election like the boomers do. It’s either that or Trump will allow real bullets to be used on the protestors and deport every brown person they can American or not and call it an “admin error.” If that is your solution, I will take zero part in your suicide.
Well no shit, half the people who say they support him also say they’re abstaining from voting in November because they don’t like biden’s Gaza policy, like Trump’s policy of exterminating them is going to be any better 🤷♂️.
He isn’t wrong. I’m voting for Biden despite deeply disliking him but far too many people are saying they aren’t voting or that they’re voting third party because of Biden’s stance on Israel. If Trump wins I won’t be surprised, just deeply disappointed
lol i think that applies to all ages
They seem willing to sacrifice women, children, the LGTBQ community and the rest of the planet to Project 2025 for absolutely zero benefit to Palestine, if not an even worse outcome.
The 18-21 year old demographic was only 10-14 when trump got into office. They watched the trump administration take their rights and shit on their generation. They aren’t stupid.
This fall is their chance to get even with the fucker.
He should know. A lot of these idiots today are patting themselves on the back for being on “the right side of history” for feeling like an imitation of the 1968 protests. Somebody needs to explain to Americans that those protests [helped Nixon win the election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority) and completely failed to actually stop the war any sooner than it running its full course. Vietnam ended **twenty years** after it became clear America and its allies had not achieved their goals in a conflict that was no longer important to them; the protests only [helped Nixon prolong it](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/) to take advantage of America’s petulance that LBJ still wasn’t good enough for them even after the civil rights victories he delivered.
It doesn’t matter that your righteous opinion is on “the right side of history” if your actions put your country on the wrong one. Bernie was a part of these protests and **he knows they failed** to make the difference they wanted at the time. He knows the protests today are threatening to make the same mistake again, and he knows that America will not get the opportunity to make that mistake a third time. And being on “the right side of history” will mean nothing when your country is fucking gone. It’s only a cold comfort for the 1968 protests today because history through Nixon to Reagan was clearly favourable to the wrong side, and their protests helped steer America in that awful direction.
And let me be clear: the people that actually participated in those 1968 protests take cold comfort in being “the right side of history” in the long run because they had to live through Nixon and Reagan during the prime of their lives in the short run. Richard Nixon is what they got when they insisted LBJ’s administration wasn’t good enough for them. That is what happened when they refused to take the bad with the good because they thought blame would lie with everyone else not being good enough for them. They felt no victory for that at the time, but that pales by comparison to what young Americans are going to put themselves through if they lose their country to Donald Trump just for the sake of having an opinion that Biden wasn’t good enough for them. America will die when Americans come to an agreement that America wasn’t good enough for them, and the young will stand to lose the most and live the longest with the consequences that will follow.
Young people in colleges know that they don’t like trump but they feel like burning it down is the path forward. However they are less understanding of the implications of “burning it down” to make headway. They think whatever happens will pass like the flu or a cold in a matter of time, they don’t understand it is a chronic disease.
Valid concern Bern
I think some young people are being influenced by bad actors on social media to stop them from voting for Biden. You’ll likely see more young folks saying they refuse to pull the lever in November to stop trump, then if Trump wins and he openly supports genocide in Gaza, takes away rights of women, minorities, and LGBTQ they will likely blame Biden instead of doing self reflection.
I know so many people in their thirties who simply do not give a fuck.
Bernie is absolutely correct, but it’s not just the young people, it’s the adults as well, they really don’t see that they could lose democracy and become a fascist government, it’s easiest thing in the world to lose something, you just don’t believe in it and you let it go until it’s already lost, or one of the few western countries that have not had a dictator quite yet, is it our time?
Yes this is true in my experience. My girlfriend (gen z ) told me last night she doesn’t want to vote for biden in the general. We live in PA and she voted uncomminuted in the primary which I don’t mind but not wanting to vote in November came as a shock to me. She strongly disapproves of the situation in gaza ( I also disapprove but I will still support biden in the general) she says she feels dirty having to support biden
I told her not it is a luxury to not vote. I told her that trans people, gay people, racial minorities can’t afford trump getting in office let alone how much worse trump would be for the people of Gaza. she doesn’t want trump and I told her she has to be willing to pick the better of two choices and to not vote is to depend on other people to do it for her.
I am scared how much Bibi’s war is hurting democratic enthusiasm along with the human rights abuses
EVERYONE is underestimating Trump.
An NOBODY recognizes how serious the threat is.
They don’t realize their freedom is at stake.
Nobody is protesting. Nobody is fighting.
Everyone is just watching Trump destroy America. Destroy democracy.
It’s infuriating.
If you think Trump and his administration will be better for Palestinians and tougher on Israel you’re fucking stupid
No no, see, once the hard-right gets control of everything, the country will get *RADICALIZED!* and we can finally elect a progressive!
I mean sure, it hasn’t happened **ever** so far, and in fact every time a Republican has gotten in there they’ve done damage that’s lasted generations… b-but I got a good feeling about it this time!
The point I’ve been making is that a lot of what we dislike now – the inflation, the housing prices, the wars in Gaza and Ukraine, and so on – where we’re rightfully angry at Biden for not doing more or doing the right thing: a lot of it is happening *now* because we let Trump win in 2016.
Trump weakened NATO and gave Putin the green light to invade Ukraine. Trump sided with Netanyahu and helped to kettle the Palestinians, pulled out of the Iran deal, alienated the Iranian regime by assassinating a high-level official, and set the stage that led to Hamas’s attack on Israel. Trump juiced interest rates during a growing economy and handed out tax cuts for the rich, and those bills are coming due now. He pulled out of the Paris Accords and severely undermined the global effort to fight climate change.
So here we are. Things suck, but they suck *because of Trump*. Things suck because we as a nation decided that Hillary didn’t “deserve” the job, wasn’t likeable or inspiring, didn’t run a good campaign. We told ourselves that Trump and Hillary were basically the same, so we voted for protest candidates or stayed home. And now we have a genocide in Gaza. People are right to be angry about the things Biden isn’t doing that he could definitely be doing *today* to put an end to it. But we wouldn’t even be here if we had made Hillary president when we had the chance.
Biden could be doing a better job of handling the suck, but it is *virtually guaranteed* that a second Trump term will only bring us back to where we are now, in another several years. Trump will wreck the economy to serve his interests, he’ll weaken America on the global stage, and then we’ll vote him out – only to be frustrated again that the guy after him *also* doesn’t solve all the issues Trump caused.
We have to stop the cycle. We can work with Biden. We will only be working *against* Trump.
He’s right, but they’ve all been numbed by smartphones into not thinking critically or understanding how brutally real this will get.
A 30-something acquaintance keeps saying he won’t vote for Biden because of his handling of Gaza and the “border crisis.” This person is a gay person of color. My mind is blown.
This really feels like it could be the last election in America. Progressives, and I am one, are being such idiots right now…
China and Russian really played us against each other and may have won this one for Trump. Ukraine and Palestine are fucked if that happens. Taiwan is next. China will be the dominant super power of this century. Russia will make heavy gains and will put a ton of pressure on Europe.
What a shitshow. And we’ll be a theocratic oligarchy after Trump’s dictatorship ends…
People who just say, oh well if Trump wins, it’s sad, must be someone who has never in their life had to fight for their rights or watched their ancestors literally die for basic human rights. This is not politics, it’s literally about preserving democracy. There are states happily and merrily rolling back rights and wanting to put people back in the 1800s. The disconnect with what is happening is frightening because it’s like what are people not getting?!!!!
How do people not realize that there is a big difference between Biden and Trump? If Trump wins we don’t recover from that.
I’m deeply afraid of November, no matter what the outcome is.
Boy lotta old people yelling at youth for a situation that they all helped to create
My friends, who are in their 40s, are probably going to vote for Trump because gas is expensive and they can’t take their family of 4 and 5 out for dinner and spend under $100. They will also completely check out after the election, if they even vote, becuase the consequences for middle-aged white dudes won’t be as severe.
College prof here. Most students are late teens and twenties. I survey each class casually each semester about being registered to vote and actually voting. The amount of young people unregistered and not voting is near 80%. The response is usually as lame as imaginable: too busy, don’t know how, don’t know they’re eligible, doesn’t matter, who cares?, etc. This sedentary group includes people that republicans are actively working to oppress and promote violence towards. The ones that are registered and voting are mostly republicans. It’s a lame and weak state of affairs for that age group.