The target was never achievable, it’s just a big number to make them appear like they’re doing more than they are.
Kia’s KV6 has a 550km range and a 7 year warranty but at 50K it’s too expensive
Affordable when
Yeah because who wants an electric car.
i dont have 50000k. sadly i esrn 23k a year
Expensive as hell… Plus show me 7 seater or 8 with a large boot space
So,
In 2021, there was a total of 104,932 new vehicles registered throughout the country.
15,370 of those were Electric vehicles.
I actually think that’s pretty good. Including trucks, vans, motorbikes, agricultural equipment, busses & standard cars… 15% of every vehicle that got a license plate in 2021 was an EV?
Considering just how limited the manufacturer ranges & how high price EV’s are, 15% of all vehicles being EV’s is a fantastic position to be in.
if there are around 100-120 thousand vehicles registered yearly in Ireland, hitting 1 Million EV’s in 8 years clearly isn’t going to work. The math doesn’t add up.
But, with the massive ramp up of EV’s available from different manufacturers and increase in competition? I think we’ll do pretty well.
If you were to assume absolutely 0 growth in EV sales, we would still have around 200k of them on the road by 2030.
The fact that EV sales have been doubling every year for a few years now, along with nearly every car manufacturer shifting focus to EVs, suggests that growth will continue to be very strong in the sector.
Love the headline that they are well off the 2030 target. Yes, because it is January 2022.
If a tesla cost the same here as it does in australia I’d take their hand off, but cars are a total fucking rip off here.
>blah blah blah there’s cheaper this and a grant for that
Still works out way more expensive than buying in other countries.
From most people I speak to, a few things are stopping them:
* The small number of charging points
* The complexity of charging or using charging points. (different power companies, different accounts needed, the different plugs needed).
* The plain cost of the cars either used or new.
I think if we could improve the charging network, it’d go a long way to addressing these.
Have to take covid into consideration and all that shite tho
Pre-owned diesels are the way to go currently. Can’t relate to anyone who can afford to buy a new car, no matter what kind it is.
It’s because of how expensive they are. Simple
Don’t worry, as soon as they’ll appear in fair city the number will jump …
Add mcgregor on an add and it’s fine for next year
Just ordered an Ioniq 5 so I’m doing my part. Yes I’m a hero but no wreaths or statues needed. Your adoration is enough.
Huh, I wonder why that is?
Maybe the government should examine why electric cars are so expensive in Ireland – might be to do with all the fucking taxes on them? Or maybe it’s to do with with pathetic subsidies they’re giving out compared with other countries?
And also, maybe people see hardly any charging stations around and think that petrol/diesel is the better lifestyle choice?
I don’t get how they are so expensive when there are significantly less parts and labour required to make them?
Between the high cost of actually getting one to being not viable for a lot of people who can’t get a car to their house for charging, is it really that surprising that the government is wrong
Obviously the government have to do more around charging points but obviously the popularity is expected to accelerate as we approach 2030, not everyone buying EVs today. Thibgs like this really do need critical mass.
Long way to go, but the trend is very much in the right direction for EV passenger car sales
For the last 6 months of 2021 it was 11%, so that’s probably closer to our run-rate now.
They are making no effort to make these vehicles affordable. I know this goes way above the Irish government, but if you look back to the 1940’s, Hitler wanted an car that everyone could afford. Hence the beetle was created, one of the most affordable and popular cars ever produced. (disclaimer – I’m in no way excusing the actions of the nazi party).
But car manufactures today are determined to keep the base price of a car over €40k. They are not taking any steps to make them more affordable. I’m surprised there isn’t an international focus on this, considering the push to switch to electric.
Ugh. I’m an electrician and engineer. The cells aren’t there yet. The energy density is too low. Theres too many failure modes. Africa is even more fucked trying to handball cobalt and lithium out of the ground for the Chinese landowners. It’s not cost effective to recycle the cells, so we fuck them in the ground. Wanna save the planet? Buy a used car. Wanna car that might last you more than 7 years? Buy a used car. There we find the problem. Most people buying these pieces of plastic shite change their cars every year or two. They have the money. Should we look to these people when seeking example on consumptive habits? The world is so fucked.
The 2025 BEV target is 57k, that ought be hit next year (hit 18k over past 5 years or so).
Crippling rents, inflation and everything else.
But sure fuck it, we’ll all run out and drop €30,000 on a lekky car so they can hit a target.
Who would have thought it, huh.
😂😂😂
They need to sell 953,000 in 8 years?
119,125 per year?
They about to be real cheap I guess 😉 😂😂😂
Lads I drive a plug in hybrid myself, and it’s a joke to even think about having a hybrid let alone a fully electric vehicle. Unless you have somewhere you can charge it overnight, it’s very difficult. There’s very very few public charging points and they’re all from different providers, making it awkward to get set up and actually use them. Couple that with the lack of tax incentives, why should people bother?
Way more expensive than a normal car and nowhere to charge it. Truly a surprise why no one wants it
If there’s power cuts ,you are up the swanny
We wont be well of the target until its 2030.
Thats like saying a baby is well off the average human height
We should be aiming for less cars
With the price of electricity nowadays
They need to make the public transport better, forget about electric cars, thing I love about visiting England is how easy it is to get around on public transport
Mazda MX30. Lovely car, priced €30k-35k, with a range of…200km.
Kia with a decent range, €50k.
Fuck that
People aren’t going to just drop €50k on a new car. Hard enough for people to save for a deposit for a house.
The Government needs to have a scheme to replace the taxi fleet with EV asap and of course make them more affordable for everyone else. Its a little like mobile phones, once you build up a critical mass everyone wants one. From what I read in many countries its not EV range anxiety that holds back growth but limited charging network.
Someone needs to explain to me how people without a driveway or a garage are supposed to charge their cars?
There has to be more than that.
Also. There’s still 8 years to go. It’ll pick up as the herd thins out.
Just catching up on this thread. I run a YouTube channel where I review all types of EVs from e-bikes to cars, vans and buses. Yes I’m very much biased but I know they are the future. They are not the solution, better public transport is but we still buy over 100,000 new cars every year.
If we want better public transport we have to use what’s there, it’s not always convenient but it’s better for the environment. When those in power see more adoption, more will be added. Lobby your local councillors and TDs. They’ll put in place what gets them votes. Now back to EVs.
Cost. Currently new EVs are priced from late €20k (Zoë) into early €30k and obviously up. If you’re not in the market for a new car at the budget, yes they will seem expensive. They are expensive currently compared to ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) variants. Reason why, manufacturers are able to sell them. Maybe not to you but there are plenty who will buy at this price. Yes, you can buy many older and cheaper cars. The price will come down like everything as the mass market adopts.
Charging. This seems to be an issue for those who don’t drive an EV more than those who do. Ideally you charge at home. Ideal world is solar panels, maybe a wind turbine, battery storage, free electricity. Obviously an initial cost. If you cannot charge at your house, it’s more difficult but can be done. The network is getting better. It’s far from ideal. Those who buy an EV usually do detailed research beforehand to know how and where to charge. If you’re thinking about buying one, ask someone already doing it. Join the Irish EV Owners Association, plenty of Facebook groups. It’s a great community. If you think it’s going to be difficult you’re already starting with a defeatist attitude. Why not ask of those who went EV, how many went back? The answer is very few because they took the time to research and review. They then changed how they drive and fill up.
Climate. Some buy EVs to save money, some buy EVs because they’re early adopters to technology and some buy EVs because of the Climate Crisis. Zero tailpipe emissions. Simple. I don’t care how clean your new diesel or petrol is, put it in a room and stay in there with the door closed. I’ll do the same with an EV and we’ll chat after 5 mins. The latest battery manufacturing technology uses no rare earth minerals and has track, trace and ethical production. There’s a battery passport initiative being proposed so you can see the full battery make-up.
Particulate pollution from tyres is the same for all vehicles and EV specific tyres are manufactured differently but wear roughly the same. Brake dust particulates in every vehicle, slightly less in EVs as they use regenerative braking (using the motor to slow itself down and gain energy back).
EVs won’t suit everyone. In 2021, 67% of new cars sold in Norway were fully electric so it suits them. Small, big, 4 wheel drive, those that can tow in a cold country etc etc etc. Why? Government initiative and people wanted to change. We’re not there yet but getting there.
If I can be of any help if you’re thinking of going EV, have a look around my channel.
Yes we’re well off the target but image if we never set one.
PS there’s plenty of FUD out there. Lots of companies want you to keep burning stuff and wearing down engine parts. Research where information is coming from.
These Cars cost 40k plus. Yeah I’ll just go into debt there for a fucking car.
In regards to charging points, across two cars now I have done over 100k km and I have used the charging points maybe 4 times and the first time was just to see how it works
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The target was never achievable, it’s just a big number to make them appear like they’re doing more than they are.
Kia’s KV6 has a 550km range and a 7 year warranty but at 50K it’s too expensive
Affordable when
Yeah because who wants an electric car.
i dont have 50000k. sadly i esrn 23k a year
Expensive as hell… Plus show me 7 seater or 8 with a large boot space
So,
In 2021, there was a total of 104,932 new vehicles registered throughout the country.
15,370 of those were Electric vehicles.
I actually think that’s pretty good. Including trucks, vans, motorbikes, agricultural equipment, busses & standard cars… 15% of every vehicle that got a license plate in 2021 was an EV?
Considering just how limited the manufacturer ranges & how high price EV’s are, 15% of all vehicles being EV’s is a fantastic position to be in.
if there are around 100-120 thousand vehicles registered yearly in Ireland, hitting 1 Million EV’s in 8 years clearly isn’t going to work. The math doesn’t add up.
But, with the massive ramp up of EV’s available from different manufacturers and increase in competition? I think we’ll do pretty well.
If you were to assume absolutely 0 growth in EV sales, we would still have around 200k of them on the road by 2030.
The fact that EV sales have been doubling every year for a few years now, along with nearly every car manufacturer shifting focus to EVs, suggests that growth will continue to be very strong in the sector.
Love the headline that they are well off the 2030 target. Yes, because it is January 2022.
If a tesla cost the same here as it does in australia I’d take their hand off, but cars are a total fucking rip off here.
>blah blah blah there’s cheaper this and a grant for that
Still works out way more expensive than buying in other countries.
From most people I speak to, a few things are stopping them:
* The small number of charging points
* The complexity of charging or using charging points. (different power companies, different accounts needed, the different plugs needed).
* The plain cost of the cars either used or new.
I think if we could improve the charging network, it’d go a long way to addressing these.
Have to take covid into consideration and all that shite tho
Pre-owned diesels are the way to go currently. Can’t relate to anyone who can afford to buy a new car, no matter what kind it is.
It’s because of how expensive they are. Simple
Don’t worry, as soon as they’ll appear in fair city the number will jump …
Add mcgregor on an add and it’s fine for next year
Just ordered an Ioniq 5 so I’m doing my part. Yes I’m a hero but no wreaths or statues needed. Your adoration is enough.
Huh, I wonder why that is?
Maybe the government should examine why electric cars are so expensive in Ireland – might be to do with all the fucking taxes on them? Or maybe it’s to do with with pathetic subsidies they’re giving out compared with other countries?
And also, maybe people see hardly any charging stations around and think that petrol/diesel is the better lifestyle choice?
I don’t get how they are so expensive when there are significantly less parts and labour required to make them?
Between the high cost of actually getting one to being not viable for a lot of people who can’t get a car to their house for charging, is it really that surprising that the government is wrong
Obviously the government have to do more around charging points but obviously the popularity is expected to accelerate as we approach 2030, not everyone buying EVs today. Thibgs like this really do need critical mass.
Long way to go, but the trend is very much in the right direction for EV passenger car sales
* 2016 – 0.2% of the market
* 2017 – 0.4%
* 2018 – 1%
* 2019 – 2.9%
* 2020 – 4.5%
* 2021 – 8.3%
For the last 6 months of 2021 it was 11%, so that’s probably closer to our run-rate now.
They are making no effort to make these vehicles affordable. I know this goes way above the Irish government, but if you look back to the 1940’s, Hitler wanted an car that everyone could afford. Hence the beetle was created, one of the most affordable and popular cars ever produced. (disclaimer – I’m in no way excusing the actions of the nazi party).
But car manufactures today are determined to keep the base price of a car over €40k. They are not taking any steps to make them more affordable. I’m surprised there isn’t an international focus on this, considering the push to switch to electric.
Ugh. I’m an electrician and engineer. The cells aren’t there yet. The energy density is too low. Theres too many failure modes. Africa is even more fucked trying to handball cobalt and lithium out of the ground for the Chinese landowners. It’s not cost effective to recycle the cells, so we fuck them in the ground. Wanna save the planet? Buy a used car. Wanna car that might last you more than 7 years? Buy a used car. There we find the problem. Most people buying these pieces of plastic shite change their cars every year or two. They have the money. Should we look to these people when seeking example on consumptive habits? The world is so fucked.
The 2025 BEV target is 57k, that ought be hit next year (hit 18k over past 5 years or so).
Crippling rents, inflation and everything else.
But sure fuck it, we’ll all run out and drop €30,000 on a lekky car so they can hit a target.
Who would have thought it, huh.
😂😂😂
They need to sell 953,000 in 8 years?
119,125 per year?
They about to be real cheap I guess 😉 😂😂😂
Lads I drive a plug in hybrid myself, and it’s a joke to even think about having a hybrid let alone a fully electric vehicle. Unless you have somewhere you can charge it overnight, it’s very difficult. There’s very very few public charging points and they’re all from different providers, making it awkward to get set up and actually use them. Couple that with the lack of tax incentives, why should people bother?
Way more expensive than a normal car and nowhere to charge it. Truly a surprise why no one wants it
If there’s power cuts ,you are up the swanny
We wont be well of the target until its 2030.
Thats like saying a baby is well off the average human height
We should be aiming for less cars
With the price of electricity nowadays
They need to make the public transport better, forget about electric cars, thing I love about visiting England is how easy it is to get around on public transport
Mazda MX30. Lovely car, priced €30k-35k, with a range of…200km.
Kia with a decent range, €50k.
Fuck that
People aren’t going to just drop €50k on a new car. Hard enough for people to save for a deposit for a house.
The Government needs to have a scheme to replace the taxi fleet with EV asap and of course make them more affordable for everyone else. Its a little like mobile phones, once you build up a critical mass everyone wants one. From what I read in many countries its not EV range anxiety that holds back growth but limited charging network.
Someone needs to explain to me how people without a driveway or a garage are supposed to charge their cars?
There has to be more than that.
Also. There’s still 8 years to go. It’ll pick up as the herd thins out.
Just catching up on this thread. I run a YouTube channel where I review all types of EVs from e-bikes to cars, vans and buses. Yes I’m very much biased but I know they are the future. They are not the solution, better public transport is but we still buy over 100,000 new cars every year.
If we want better public transport we have to use what’s there, it’s not always convenient but it’s better for the environment. When those in power see more adoption, more will be added. Lobby your local councillors and TDs. They’ll put in place what gets them votes. Now back to EVs.
Cost. Currently new EVs are priced from late €20k (Zoë) into early €30k and obviously up. If you’re not in the market for a new car at the budget, yes they will seem expensive. They are expensive currently compared to ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) variants. Reason why, manufacturers are able to sell them. Maybe not to you but there are plenty who will buy at this price. Yes, you can buy many older and cheaper cars. The price will come down like everything as the mass market adopts.
Charging. This seems to be an issue for those who don’t drive an EV more than those who do. Ideally you charge at home. Ideal world is solar panels, maybe a wind turbine, battery storage, free electricity. Obviously an initial cost. If you cannot charge at your house, it’s more difficult but can be done. The network is getting better. It’s far from ideal. Those who buy an EV usually do detailed research beforehand to know how and where to charge. If you’re thinking about buying one, ask someone already doing it. Join the Irish EV Owners Association, plenty of Facebook groups. It’s a great community. If you think it’s going to be difficult you’re already starting with a defeatist attitude. Why not ask of those who went EV, how many went back? The answer is very few because they took the time to research and review. They then changed how they drive and fill up.
Climate. Some buy EVs to save money, some buy EVs because they’re early adopters to technology and some buy EVs because of the Climate Crisis. Zero tailpipe emissions. Simple. I don’t care how clean your new diesel or petrol is, put it in a room and stay in there with the door closed. I’ll do the same with an EV and we’ll chat after 5 mins. The latest battery manufacturing technology uses no rare earth minerals and has track, trace and ethical production. There’s a battery passport initiative being proposed so you can see the full battery make-up.
Particulate pollution from tyres is the same for all vehicles and EV specific tyres are manufactured differently but wear roughly the same. Brake dust particulates in every vehicle, slightly less in EVs as they use regenerative braking (using the motor to slow itself down and gain energy back).
EVs won’t suit everyone. In 2021, 67% of new cars sold in Norway were fully electric so it suits them. Small, big, 4 wheel drive, those that can tow in a cold country etc etc etc. Why? Government initiative and people wanted to change. We’re not there yet but getting there.
If I can be of any help if you’re thinking of going EV, have a look around my channel.
Yes we’re well off the target but image if we never set one.
PS there’s plenty of FUD out there. Lots of companies want you to keep burning stuff and wearing down engine parts. Research where information is coming from.
These Cars cost 40k plus. Yeah I’ll just go into debt there for a fucking car.
In regards to charging points, across two cars now I have done over 100k km and I have used the charging points maybe 4 times and the first time was just to see how it works