It’s interesting that some countries, like France, Poland, Greece and the Nordic Countries have absolutely none.
Proud to be Polish
What’s the one in Britain out of curiosity?
You know what’s worse than just naming a street after a collaborator? Erasing the name of someone truly great. Thus, in the city of Goražde, B&H, a school was named for Husein Đozo, a local who was a cleric in the 13th WSS division (and quite gleefully served given his spirited letter to his reichsfuhrer). Whom was the school named for earlier? Oh just some fella named Tesla, invented AC electricity, ya know, nothing special…
I think the map like this should distinguish between at least two forms of collaboration:
* leaders of the governments/nations subjugated by the Nazis or allied to them, who didn’t commit any crimes on their own or didn’t participate in the crimes of the Nazis
* and separate category for those who committed such crimes or deliberately did nothing to stop them
Also this kind of map is always lacking because it doesn’t show monuments for non-Nazi criminals
It seems not so much popular in France.
What’s the one near Volgograd?
What are the criteria ? If for example there was some conflict in WW2 and people died at both sides. Is monument where are shown all the names of people which died that day counted as monument to Nazi Collaborators ?
Also, what is monument ? Even some decorated grave could be counted as such
But also, who decide which person is collaborant. I can imagine there is a lot of examples where their affiliation is questionable
I was quite surprised to see so many in Germany, so went ahead and took a closer look. It turns out that the vast majority of the monuments are streets named after Ferdinand Porsche, who most definitely profited from the 3rd reich.
I‘m pretty sure those streets were not named after him to honor his contribution to the holocaust, but rather for his contribution to the Germany industry; with most people ignoring or not being aware of Porsche‘s dark history.
I was a bit surprised about the amount of (supposed) “monuments” for Nazi colloborators in Germany.
Turns out almost all of them are street names. Sure, that’s not ideal, either, but not exactly the same as monuments.
Interestingly, quite a lot of them are Ferdinand Porsche streets (or variants thereof).
The problem with such maps is that there isn’t really a distinction between people who were collaborators and who are blamed for being collaboratos.
An example in case of Lithuania would be Adolfas Ramanauskas – Vanagas, a partizan leader. Many soviet authorities claimed that he was one of the “white-bandage” jew killers. However, eye witnesses and partizan diaries show that he was on the other side of the country when those massacres happened. And yet, many articles that write about collaborators do put him in the list, because of the Soviet sources.
Almost every monument in Austria is dedicated to Ferdinand Porsche
Please tell me the Hungarian ones. Iam pretty curious.
One of the founding groups of Israel was trying to collaborate with Nazies, and I think there is some Israeli medal named on the group, so Israel should be noted on the map as well.
Quite a few of those remaining in Germany are honoring Wernher von Braun, Ferdidnand Porsche and Ferdinand Sauerbruch. While the former two were fine using slave labour, the latter was maybe a silent bystander but no collaborator or perpetrator.
None in Bulgaria which is not strange, none in Argentina, which is very very strange.
Italy’s are 99% streets dedicated to Giorgio Almirante and 1% monuments to Victor Emmanuel III. It could have been worse.
Are there any in the Netherlands or are those all in Germany and belgium, it’s hard to see?
Let’s look for Lithuania. WTF why do they call post-WW2 guerilla leaders like Jonas Žemaitis as Nazi collaborators if they were not? That looks more like Russian propaganda echo, not something legit, at least for Lithuania.
Povilas Plechavičius fought on the German side, but managed to avoid creation of Lithuanian SS battaillions. Why isn’t Finland then full of these monuments for their defenders?
Jonas Noreika – yeah, legit Nazi scum who established ghettos. Sadly picked up by our hard right wing.
Juozas Lukša? Not really in my eyes. LAF’s goal was restoration of independence, but sadly they did nothing against Holocaust and some of its leaders supported it. Does it make a LAF member an antisemite automatically? In my eyes no.
Antanas Baltūsis – yes, he as a police officer he guarded the Majdanek camp
Kazys Škirpa – yes, an anti-semite LAF guy
June 23 – not really. The Holocaust was started not by the rebels, but by the Nazis. Without German occupation there would not been Holocaust.
Juozas Ambrazevičius Brazaitis – passivelly yes. No resistence against the Holocaust as the Prime Minister
Adolfas Ramanauskas – another LAF guy with no evidence of collaboration/taking part in the Holocaust
Juozas Krikštaponis – yes, damn Nazi collaborator
So not everyone here was a real collaborator according to consensus.
Good on Bulgaria.
I am really shocked how Octavian Goga is still somehow not even a controversial figure in Romania….dude was for all intents and purposes a Nazi. He was even buried with a swastika.
0 in Argentina, interesting
Surprised to see Ireland blank, since there is a statue in Dublin to Sean Russell, an IRA leader who collaborated with the Nazis.
Alot of it is from the foreign SS volunteers
That’s bullshit
You should look up the perpetrators of Holodomor, crazy how many monuments there are to the perpetrators of that genocide, weirdly, barely anyone in the West seems to know about that one…
Curiously enough the map doesn’t include any monument from the Lehi group (or similar organisation) who were a Jewish terrorist group and Axis collaborators
Because of that, I call bullshit on the whole map, most likely “Axis collaborators” means “People that didn’t want to serve the Soviets” or “People that just happened to be in the Army/Economy”.
Turns out in Hungary most of these are connected to Albert Wass, a poet. He was an anti-semite, but to call him a ,,collaborator” I feel like is a bit much
These types of maps are always almost extremely misleading.
Looking it up confirms that this particular map very much fits that description.
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That’s werid
[Source: Forward](https://forward.com/news/462648/how-many-monuments-honor-fascists-nazis-and-murderers-of-jews-youll-be/?fbclid=IwAR3vqnkfJFHcdpjuycwZQb_HnyqOqrVhZL1Uwp2PHdwPqnD4sD0uilGR0YE), a Jewish-American magazine. There is an interactive map in the article.
It’s interesting that some countries, like France, Poland, Greece and the Nordic Countries have absolutely none.
Proud to be Polish
What’s the one in Britain out of curiosity?
You know what’s worse than just naming a street after a collaborator? Erasing the name of someone truly great. Thus, in the city of Goražde, B&H, a school was named for Husein Đozo, a local who was a cleric in the 13th WSS division (and quite gleefully served given his spirited letter to his reichsfuhrer). Whom was the school named for earlier? Oh just some fella named Tesla, invented AC electricity, ya know, nothing special…
I think the map like this should distinguish between at least two forms of collaboration:
* leaders of the governments/nations subjugated by the Nazis or allied to them, who didn’t commit any crimes on their own or didn’t participate in the crimes of the Nazis
* and separate category for those who committed such crimes or deliberately did nothing to stop them
Also this kind of map is always lacking because it doesn’t show monuments for non-Nazi criminals
It seems not so much popular in France.
What’s the one near Volgograd?
What are the criteria ? If for example there was some conflict in WW2 and people died at both sides. Is monument where are shown all the names of people which died that day counted as monument to Nazi Collaborators ?
Also, what is monument ? Even some decorated grave could be counted as such
But also, who decide which person is collaborant. I can imagine there is a lot of examples where their affiliation is questionable
Was curious about Austria so I checked:
* 12 instances of things being named after [Ferdinand Porsche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche)
* 4 memorials about the [Galichina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician))
* 1 street named after [Franz Häußler](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_H%C3%A4u%C3%9Fler) (german wikipedia only)
I was quite surprised to see so many in Germany, so went ahead and took a closer look. It turns out that the vast majority of the monuments are streets named after Ferdinand Porsche, who most definitely profited from the 3rd reich.
I‘m pretty sure those streets were not named after him to honor his contribution to the holocaust, but rather for his contribution to the Germany industry; with most people ignoring or not being aware of Porsche‘s dark history.
I was a bit surprised about the amount of (supposed) “monuments” for Nazi colloborators in Germany.
Turns out almost all of them are street names. Sure, that’s not ideal, either, but not exactly the same as monuments.
Interestingly, quite a lot of them are Ferdinand Porsche streets (or variants thereof).
The problem with such maps is that there isn’t really a distinction between people who were collaborators and who are blamed for being collaboratos.
An example in case of Lithuania would be Adolfas Ramanauskas – Vanagas, a partizan leader. Many soviet authorities claimed that he was one of the “white-bandage” jew killers. However, eye witnesses and partizan diaries show that he was on the other side of the country when those massacres happened. And yet, many articles that write about collaborators do put him in the list, because of the Soviet sources.
Almost every monument in Austria is dedicated to Ferdinand Porsche
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https://forward.com/news/462648/how-many-monuments-honor-fascists-nazis-and-murderers-of-jews-youll-be/
Please tell me the Hungarian ones. Iam pretty curious.
One of the founding groups of Israel was trying to collaborate with Nazies, and I think there is some Israeli medal named on the group, so Israel should be noted on the map as well.
Quite a few of those remaining in Germany are honoring Wernher von Braun, Ferdidnand Porsche and Ferdinand Sauerbruch. While the former two were fine using slave labour, the latter was maybe a silent bystander but no collaborator or perpetrator.
None in Bulgaria which is not strange, none in Argentina, which is very very strange.
Italy’s are 99% streets dedicated to Giorgio Almirante and 1% monuments to Victor Emmanuel III. It could have been worse.
Are there any in the Netherlands or are those all in Germany and belgium, it’s hard to see?
Let’s look for Lithuania. WTF why do they call post-WW2 guerilla leaders like Jonas Žemaitis as Nazi collaborators if they were not? That looks more like Russian propaganda echo, not something legit, at least for Lithuania.
Povilas Plechavičius fought on the German side, but managed to avoid creation of Lithuanian SS battaillions. Why isn’t Finland then full of these monuments for their defenders?
Jonas Noreika – yeah, legit Nazi scum who established ghettos. Sadly picked up by our hard right wing.
Juozas Lukša? Not really in my eyes. LAF’s goal was restoration of independence, but sadly they did nothing against Holocaust and some of its leaders supported it. Does it make a LAF member an antisemite automatically? In my eyes no.
Antanas Baltūsis – yes, he as a police officer he guarded the Majdanek camp
Kazys Škirpa – yes, an anti-semite LAF guy
June 23 – not really. The Holocaust was started not by the rebels, but by the Nazis. Without German occupation there would not been Holocaust.
Juozas Ambrazevičius Brazaitis – passivelly yes. No resistence against the Holocaust as the Prime Minister
Adolfas Ramanauskas – another LAF guy with no evidence of collaboration/taking part in the Holocaust
Juozas Krikštaponis – yes, damn Nazi collaborator
So not everyone here was a real collaborator according to consensus.
Good on Bulgaria.
I am really shocked how Octavian Goga is still somehow not even a controversial figure in Romania….dude was for all intents and purposes a Nazi. He was even buried with a swastika.
0 in Argentina, interesting
Surprised to see Ireland blank, since there is a statue in Dublin to Sean Russell, an IRA leader who collaborated with the Nazis.
Alot of it is from the foreign SS volunteers
That’s bullshit
You should look up the perpetrators of Holodomor, crazy how many monuments there are to the perpetrators of that genocide, weirdly, barely anyone in the West seems to know about that one…
Curiously enough the map doesn’t include any monument from the Lehi group (or similar organisation) who were a Jewish terrorist group and Axis collaborators
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group))
Because of that, I call bullshit on the whole map, most likely “Axis collaborators” means “People that didn’t want to serve the Soviets” or “People that just happened to be in the Army/Economy”.
Turns out in Hungary most of these are connected to Albert Wass, a poet. He was an anti-semite, but to call him a ,,collaborator” I feel like is a bit much
These types of maps are always almost extremely misleading.
Looking it up confirms that this particular map very much fits that description.