League tables of migrant nationalities with highest crime rates opposed by civil servants

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1. I’m all for the list. I fully expect to see doctors and nurses top the list.

2. Robbie “paint over that kids mural” Jenrick is going to be Tory leader one day.

   Leading them even further into the opposition wilderness than IDS ever dreamed.

3. Ah yes, wanting to see normal statistics about your country is racist, right? Wanting to keep your country safe, is racist, right?

4. “Migrants from XYZ region lead to more crime”

   “You have no evidence you racist!”

   “Ok let’s collect some evidence and see who’s wrong”

   “No”

5. Anyone who has problems collecting this data is just admitting that they know it will show something they don’t like.

   If you think migrants do comparable or less crime, this would dismiss any fears the anti immigration types have.

6. Read the article, they’re blocking it because the bill is focussed on knife crime while people have tried to add unrelated things like abortion laws to it so the commons speaker got sick of it. Regardless:

   “”
   Ministers are understood to be seeking to get the data published irrespective of whether there is legislation. “It can just be done. You don’t need legislation,” said a source.

   “It is actually mainly an operational issue. How do you collect the data and make sure it is reliable?

   “There are all those considerations rather than legislative commitment going forward. Ministers like the idea. We want to work out how to do it.”
   “”

   It’ll happen, which is a good thing.

7. Honestly, being quite pro-migration I’m all for these statistics being published – the problem is the “league table” format is a particularly shitty one to actually give an informed perspective on any issue, which makes it obvious that the proposal is just about playing a political game.

8. This thread will be good for a game of “Racist or hasn’t read the article (or both)?” by this evening. 

9. And everyone laughed at Liz Truss when she talked about civil servants – political activists.

10. Making such an analysis public seems like a very bad idea with very predictable consequences whereby people will be discriminated against based on nationality in UK society.

    It is, yet another, terrible idea… and to what end. What would be the purpose of such an analysis apart from to fuel bigots.

11. Seems like it’s more procedural rather than civil servants being ‘woke’

12. What’s the point of it though? It’s not going to change immigration policy, it’s not going to reduce crime, it’s not going to do anything.

    If I know x countries migrants commit the most crime, what am I supposed to do with that information?

13. So who are we betting on to top the table? I’ll go for Somalia

14. The Civil Service seem to believe that they are Running a Totalitarian Communist State.

15. It’s wild that we have a non-negligible part of the western elite motivated by contempt for the general population and actively working against its best interests. The insular and elitist values they follow only make sense for themselves, and don’t consider what’s best for everyone or even what’s practical for the country.

16. Quite concerning the amount of users here declaring what should be standard data be withheld because, and let’s be honest here, it’ll make the “proles” critical of migration.

    By all means, standardised against other metrics also, but data shouldn’t be withheld because it may produce a critical outcome.

17. Yeah no shit people are opposed to fucking scientific racism.

18. Wonder how many people championing this are also part of the ‘notallmen’ crew or getting upset the bear Vs man shit.

19. Why don’t the civil service want the people to know where the crime is?

20. The census already does this for religion so I don’t understand why it’s controversial

21. I think such information should exist, if you can do this to target discrimination and inequality and then offer specific help, you can do the same to tackle crime and offer specific help

    I’m an immigrant in case anybody cares