Deutschland: Zwei Gerichtsurteile in dieser Woche haben der Partei Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) einen schweren Schlag versetzt. Nun wächst der Druck, die Partei zu verbieten
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-far-right-afd-under-mounting-pressure/a-69078624
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Dismantle them, the sooner – the better.
Trying to use the courts to shut down a booming right wing party instead of beating them in elections is just going to serve to totally galvanize their support base and draw more to them.
Ban the party and all the membership will just make a new one.
Is it just me or is this the Paradox of Intolerance in action?
> The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,practice%20of%20tolerance%20with%20them.)
In order to shut down a party a lot needs to happen. Its not an easy process, its one of the biggest swords that the democratic state can swing. Meaning the AfD isnt just a right wing party anymore but radicalized to a point that it threatens Democracy!
That why we have to act now. Of course the root of the problem is stil there, but at least it would defuse the situation a bit. They are around 20% thats a LOT
Lots of unknowledgable answers about how this was anti-democratic somehow. Protecting your democracy from its sworn enemies is a) constitutional in Germany and b) the first thing a democracy absolutely has to do.
Fck nazis everywhere always! Say no to hateful racists!
Germany letting a fascist party growing strong, in the end killing millions: “Germany bad! Next time, stop them!”
Germany stopping a fascist party: “Germany bad, killing democracy!”
Yet, Islam is allowed to spread like crazy ☠️ when will people realize that Islam is a political movement
Yeah, this definitely isn’t going to backfire and send the NPD into the Bundestag. No way.
I loathe AfD with every fiber of my body, but it’s a really bad idea to ban a party that big and radicalized. There *will* be riots, terrorism, and murder once you take away people’s ability to express themselves at the ballot box. It will undoubtedly wound AfD, but it might trigger a major breakdown in law and order when radicals in the party decide that electoralism has failed and their only other option is the bullet.
The concept of “defensive democracy” has only ever worked for nipping tiny, irrelevant neo-Nazi parties in the bud before they could go mainstream. German democracy is already strained, resorting to the nuclear option to deal with AfD is going to fail miserably.
Fuck those nazi traitors.
Maybe try to tackle the reason why AfD is becoming a large party… or would that make you seem type of phobic
That was long due. The extreme Islam movements should be next.
The problem is that, while you can ban a party, you can’t ban their voters. And if you actually ban the party, they are going to feel more justified to operate outside the democratic system. The only real solution is to address the legitimate issues that make people vote for those parties, to disarm them.
I got my german citizenship not too long ago, and look forward to voting against these pieces of shit. But banning them sounds even better.
Hey, German guy here to educate the ones turning on their virtue signal in here.
This is not people getting together and trying to get a party banned, just because. We have implemented bodies that check any party if they are compatible with our laws and our constitution. For you who don‘t know, the first article of our constitution is that a human‘s dignity is untouchable. This party wants to deport any German with any kind of migration background and wants to stop offering help to refugees of any kind. Also they are huge fans of Putin and think that Germany is at fault for that war for provoking Russia by supplying aid and weapons to Ukraine. If you now think that countries started to supply military aid AFTER Russia invaded, you are right and are living in reality.
And while we‘re at it, members of that party were caught planning a coup to reinstate monarchy. Yes, the one form of government that is very much not a democracy. And while we‘re at it, to the ones saying that it‘s due to other parties slacking off: a big chunk of AfD voters literally want to go back to the totalitarian Nazi times. How are you going to get those voters on board without sinking to the same lows? You could give those people a booming economy, free money and they still want to get people out of the country that don’t look like them
You can only vote who we say you can vote for
Mmm the moment you ban a democratic elected political party is the moment you kill democracy.
I’ll continue to post this whenever the news talk about AfD-Nazis:
The perpetrators of the recent attacks on progressive politicians turn out to be right-wing extremist, and Jörg Urban, chairman of the AfD in Saxony just blamed SPD for this by “causing a heated atmosphere in our society.”
Some more “fun”-facts about AfD that highlight just how racist, xenophobic, nationalistic, fascist and generally awful this party is, and how they absolutely want to take Germany back to 1939:
1. Here are some quotes from AfD politicians:
• Carsten Härle: “The ‘German Reich’ didn’t fall in 1945.”
• Mirko Welsch: “Deport Antifa members to Buchenwald. Labour instead of left-wing terror”
• Alexander Gauland (honorary chairman): “Mr. Höcke doesn’t move the party to the right. Mr. Höcke is the centre of the party.”
• Björn Höcke (talking about the Holocaust memorial in Berlin): “So far, our state of mind, our state of mind is still that of a totally defeated people [applause from his audience]. We Germans – and I’m not talking about you patriots who have gathered here today – we Germans, our people, are the only people in the world who have planted a monument of shame in the heart of their capital [applause from his audience].”
• Björn Höcke: “Germany for Germans.” (Nazi Slogan).
• Björn Höcke: “Alles für Deutschland” (Nazi Slogan). Courts just fined him €13k for that one.
• the federal leadership: “We are to blame for everything. We need a total revolution. There’s no end to the total system change. This whole ‘policy’ and its hacks should be set on fire.”
• Stefan Scheil: “‘Gene tests’, which can be used to analyse one’s ethnic-racial origin, are particularly popular in the supposed ‘melting pot’ of the USA; the mere fact that such tests are possible is a striking refutation of the widespread ideological lie that race is merely ‘a social construct’. […] Indeed, the phenotypic identity of whites is far more ‘unstable’ than that of virtually all other races due to their more recessive genes; had Heidi Klum fathered children exclusively with Seal, the genetic possibility of ‘Heidi Klum’ would have been completely wiped out in her lineage (Boris Becker, on the other hand, seems to possess true Wotansdonner genes that can produce all-white children with African features). […] New York is something like the prototype of the ‘Babylon’ of the coming world civilisation that some globalists dream of. In Manhattan, flooded with people, you often see a street scene in which there is not a single white person to be seen among the masses of black, brown and yellow people.”
• Bernd Pachal: “I always say to GG-lovers (the GG (Grundgesetz; basic law in English) is our constitution): It’s quite simple, just a few amendments to the Basic Law, it wouldn’t be the first. The following amendments to the Basic Law: Firstly: The Office of the Federal President will be awarded for life. That saves the taxpayer immense costs. Secondly: the office will be renamed “Kaiser”. It will no longer be called Bundespräsident, but Kaiser. So what? Thirdly: the office goes to the person who would be been in the rightful order anyway. That saves us the embarrassing election circus.”
2. The leader of the Thuringia AfD, Björn (“Bernd”) Höcke, sued some groups that were calling him a fascist for defamation. He lost that suit because the court determined he is in fact a fascist and thus can be correctly called that. Any subsequent attempts from Höcke to stop people from calling him “fascist” or “Nazi” have been rejected by the courts. Höcke can actually be called a fascist legally after he sued. He won his suit in the first instance, but the verdict was appealed and overturned on appeal. Quote from that second verdict: “the applicants have sufficiently substantiated that their value judgement was not “plucked out of thin air”, but was based on a verifiable factual basis.” So it’s not just a matter of freedom of speech, the courts determined that fascist is an accurate description for Höcke.
3. Birgit Malsack-Winkelmann was part of the 2022 coup d’état plot to overthrow the government. In preparation of the coup, she helped members of the Reichsbürger movement gain entry to the Bundestag. She is currently a member of the party court of arbitration of the AfD. She was designated minister of justice, had the coup succeeded. The fact that she’s a traitor, a fascist and still a member of the AfD should be enough info for anyone doubting the necessity to ban this fucking assembly of traitors.
Id rather have a bunch of nazis sitting around than all those pseudo Islamist refugees running around, raping woman and little girls, stabbing and murdering people, screeching in the thousands for wanting to establish a caliphate and sharia law.
Are Germans tired of illegal migration similar to what UK shouted back then?
Fredom of speech unless you Are a right wing politican
Germany knows. America and most of the west is flirting with finding out.
Germans need to deport all illegal migrants before they lose their country.
> On Tuesday, a court ruled against Thuringian AfD leader Björn Höcke for allegedly using a slogan from the paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party, the Storm Troopers (Sturmabteilung). The graduate historian and former history teacher denies knowing the origin of the banned slogan “Alles für Deutschland” (Everything for Germany).
Höcke is obviously full of shit. Just like many in his party. I hope they get banned, Germany and the world deserves better than these assholes.
If this was an option why has there been an NPD for decades?
If they ban it, it’s civil war.