I wanna see a both feet offside like in hockey. This micropenis offside is killing the game
I might start watching more football again if they scrap it. Can’t celebrate properly anymore
Please please fuck it off. We were fine for 150 years without it. Greatest cunt of a thing ever introduced to football. Brought in by arseholes who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Anything that means you can’t celebrate when the ball hits the net (apart from a quick glance at the linesman) kills the game. That’s the whole fucking point. That’s what made most of us love the game. The feeling when the ball hits the net.
It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.
The problem is not the tech. It’s the people. Scrap them!
The solution isn’t scrapping it. It’s more transparency, but no one wants that except the fans and maybe smaller clubs.
I’m not a fan of VAR, and I would fall on the side of just get rid of it. However, I do think there’s a compromise here for people who like it. Why can’t we just make the “clear and obvious error” standard true across the board for all VAR reviews. No offside lines drawn, no reviewing every single moment before a goal. Unless there is a clear, unmistakable and objective error made by the referee that impacts the play, just get on with it. I always felt that’s what VAR was meant to do in the first place. We’re never going to get to where we agree with every single referee call and that’s OK. But we can maintain football as an enjoyable game to watch, and that’s what this is about. Establishing a better standard for reviews would do that. Short of that, getting rid of it is fine by me.
The problem isn’t VAR. It’s the PL referees and current structure. There would be more chaos without VAR. We wouldn’t have VAR today, if there weren’t so many issues prior to it.
Plz get rid of it. It litteraly only makes the game worse. They don’t even make the right calls half of the time, so it doesn’t even negate human errors from referees.
The issue isn’t Var, but the lack of quality refs in the PL
Another example of the UK’s current “I just want me country back” era
As a match going fan please scrap it. Ruins the experience. I don’t care about errors. They even themselves out
They’re refusing to address the issues and blaming everything else.
Ignorant question. I know VAR is horrible, but isn’t going back to no-VAR and seeing multiple replays of a horrible on field decision just as bad? Or will there be an alternative solution proposed to replace it?
I would rather they vote to abolish pgmol and start a new referee organisation with entirely new people
Wasn’t it going to be automated next season ? As in decisions in a few seconds ? Surely that’s best for everybody. It’s clear as day that it’s a good idea being implemented terribly in the PL. Even in Europe it’s been very well utilised already this season
Sounds like Wolves have had a major drop in season ticket renewals and are doing this to try and get sales up.
Scrap it, it is ruining the game. We’ve had 5 years, and the game is the worse for it. One of the major issues is the knobs at Stockley Park are just DESPERATE top get involved in everything, and DESPERATER to find a reason to rule goals out.
The only people benefitting from this are the endless officials, ex-officials and beaurocrats with their snouts in the EPL trough. It is a wet dream for the nmiddle managment kind of jobsworth who just loves talking shite about protocols and procedures. while alweays covering hisd own arse.
VAR is great. It’s the idiots in charge fucking it up.
Hali fucking lulya
I want VAR gone, but don’t trust these refs to handle things on their own.
The only reason VAR can stay (IMO), is if we change the rules.
– Making the penalty box smaller.
– Changing the offside rule (Allowing the ones where lines look identical)
– Handball rule has to change.
– Reckless challenge also has to change.
2019-20 – *Refs are making bad decisions* lets fix it by introducing VAR to help them.
2023-24 – *Refs are making bad decisions with VAR* lets fix it by getting rid of VAR.
It makes no sense. It’s the referees and the PGMOL that are the problem, not the technology.
Give it two-weeks without VAR and we’ll all be moaning about obscene decisions that cannot be undone, like flags going-up when nobody is remotely close to being offside, red cards for absolutely nothing, penalties for blatant dives.
This problem is easily fixed. Having competent people at the core would be a good start.
Wow shit officials implement a shit version of VAR.
The real vote should be for some sort of check to PGMOL’s incompetence. But that won’t happen because football is corrupt and being able to officiate with narratives and bias isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.
Here’s my thoughts on it. VAR isn’t the problem, the problem is the exact same thing that it was before VAR. It’s the refs. VAR should be entirely independent from the on-field refs, as in an entirely separate organization. A few other things they should do:
1) No matter what, if VAR is looking at something the on field ref should run to the monitor, or at least 90% of the time. If its something like offsides, no big deal, VAR can handle that. But Im so tired of games slowing down and then after 2 minutes the on field ref is like “Oh, I guess I should have another look at this.” Nah, if it is going to VAR and it is taking more than 15 seconds to decide, the ref should already be on his way to the VAR view and be in the discussion. They should be relaying to the VAR booth in real time what they saw from their viewpoint. This is a communication thing. They should be separate but equal in the decision making here, and the VAR team should not be afraid to tell the on field ref what they saw was wrong.
2) Revise the offsides rule. It should be clear and obvious offsides. No more of this millimeter bullshit. I do not trust the VAR system to make a ruling on offsides when literal millimeters are the difference between offsides or not. Especially since there is still a degree of uncertainty in the system, and there is still manual human inputs required to make the call (where the lines are placed, at what exact moment the ball was kicked, etc.) If its not clear, the offense should be given the benefit of the doubt. This rule was not made to keep the offense from making good runs through, it is intended to keep players from cherry picking behind the defensemen. That intention should be baked into the rule. If someone’s toe is offside, who the fuck cares? That’s not what the rule was intended to prevent.
3) The VAR team should be coordinating flagrant fouls & cards throughout the league and relaying that information to the public. No more of this bullshit where one call is a red in one game, and it isn’t even a foul in another game. They should be taking every card/flagrant foul into account and reviewing them for use in future games for that season. Otherwise, what is even the point of VAR looking into this stuff? If they get it wrong, explain to the public how it is wrong and how the correction will be implemented in the future, so both fans and players know. At the very least there is some accountability. Currently, it’s just crickets, and from game to game VAR has wildly varying decisions on certain fouls and we never hear why in one game it was a foul and the other it wasnt, all we get to hear now is speculation from retired refs who have taken up jobs as pundits. And this isn’t hard, sports leagues in America have had this sort of thing done for years, but with some variance on how public they make things, but I think soccer lends itself well to some more transparency because of how fast moving the games are, and how much every single game matters in a season.
I think these are much more viable changes to make than just nuking the whole thing, because nuking it doesnt solve the problem. We will just have refs making terrible decisions in real time once again.
So the officials get what they want
They never wanted it, do an on purpose shit job and get rewarded
Joke league
VAR isn’t the problem. It’s the implementation. Look at TMO in Rugby. It can be so simple. But they make it so difficult.
VAR don’t get to call the ref on field. The ref on field is the lead. He calls on assistants for support. They should be actively checking everything. And the on field ref calls if he wants something double checking. And make the conversation played around the stadium.
And it should be as stated. Clear and obvious. If they can’t resolve it in say 30s or 60s. It isn’t clear and obvious and move on.
Refs not sure. Indicates HE wants tmo. With the arm movement making a screen. “Any reason not to give the try, look at if 15 goes to touch” translates to; this is the bit Im not sure on. Check that specifically. At bigger stadiums and tougher decisions. Refs don’t run to a screen. They use the stadium screens, if the refs still not sure. He calls the lineos and they make a consensus. Discussion not dictatorship. All on transmitted round the stadium and tv. Easy. Simple. Perfect.
They should get rid of referees and get better ones, VAR as technology is not the problem but the shitty decisions made for referees who aren’t even trying to use the tech as it should be.
Scrapping VAR is like telling the referees they’re doing a good job and that wouldn’t benefit the league, it would make it worse, we all know that English referees are well known to be bad even in European competitions, why giving them a chance to keep ruining the game with their bad job.
Get rid of it. It’s crap and not fit for purpose. Make offside about pure daylight and let refs judge in real time
It’s better than the alternative which is why it was introduced in the first place. Upgrade the process but I wouldn’t do away with it
Until the technology can call an offside in real time I say get rid of it. It’s sucked the joy out of celebrating a goal for me.
It’s obviously not fault of technology but the people operating it. Unfortunately people can’t be changed overnight, so the only option is whether to use technology or not
With VAR
1. More decisions overall are correct but the improvement isn’t matching expectations of clubs or fans
2. Mistakes earlier could be explained by human limitations but mistakes now disrepute quality of the league
3. VAR often slows the game down, robs the players n fans of moments to celebrate
4. PGMOL haven’t done enough to inspire confidence be it more frequent clarifications or real time audio
5. English refs were never known to top quality and VAR has proved it beyond doubt
I think PL should ask PGMOL on how they wish to address the issues with VAR and clubs should vote on whether they wish to try that or scrap it without trying
The loser either way with be the ref’s
I think we should keep it. The speed of the game has outpaced the officials’ ability to keep up with the real-time actions on field. I was fed-up with losing a game because a referee made a blatant and obvious mistake that caused the wrong team to gain an advantage. Ok it takes a bit longer to get the right, or close to the right result, but at least it is closer to correct and fair result.
Fuck it off, im yet to meet anyone who is in favour of var who regularly watches live games. Its killed celebration of goals.
Keep the goal line tech though
I’d rather the ref gets it wrong, than 4 incompetent idiots watching a screen do. Get rid.
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I wanna see a both feet offside like in hockey. This micropenis offside is killing the game
I might start watching more football again if they scrap it. Can’t celebrate properly anymore
Please please fuck it off. We were fine for 150 years without it. Greatest cunt of a thing ever introduced to football. Brought in by arseholes who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Anything that means you can’t celebrate when the ball hits the net (apart from a quick glance at the linesman) kills the game. That’s the whole fucking point. That’s what made most of us love the game. The feeling when the ball hits the net.
It’s a poor workman who blames his tools.
The problem is not the tech. It’s the people. Scrap them!
The solution isn’t scrapping it. It’s more transparency, but no one wants that except the fans and maybe smaller clubs.
I’m not a fan of VAR, and I would fall on the side of just get rid of it. However, I do think there’s a compromise here for people who like it. Why can’t we just make the “clear and obvious error” standard true across the board for all VAR reviews. No offside lines drawn, no reviewing every single moment before a goal. Unless there is a clear, unmistakable and objective error made by the referee that impacts the play, just get on with it. I always felt that’s what VAR was meant to do in the first place. We’re never going to get to where we agree with every single referee call and that’s OK. But we can maintain football as an enjoyable game to watch, and that’s what this is about. Establishing a better standard for reviews would do that. Short of that, getting rid of it is fine by me.
The problem isn’t VAR. It’s the PL referees and current structure. There would be more chaos without VAR. We wouldn’t have VAR today, if there weren’t so many issues prior to it.
Plz get rid of it. It litteraly only makes the game worse. They don’t even make the right calls half of the time, so it doesn’t even negate human errors from referees.
The issue isn’t Var, but the lack of quality refs in the PL
Another example of the UK’s current “I just want me country back” era
As a match going fan please scrap it. Ruins the experience. I don’t care about errors. They even themselves out
They’re refusing to address the issues and blaming everything else.
Ignorant question. I know VAR is horrible, but isn’t going back to no-VAR and seeing multiple replays of a horrible on field decision just as bad? Or will there be an alternative solution proposed to replace it?
I would rather they vote to abolish pgmol and start a new referee organisation with entirely new people
Wasn’t it going to be automated next season ? As in decisions in a few seconds ? Surely that’s best for everybody. It’s clear as day that it’s a good idea being implemented terribly in the PL. Even in Europe it’s been very well utilised already this season
Sounds like Wolves have had a major drop in season ticket renewals and are doing this to try and get sales up.
Scrap it, it is ruining the game. We’ve had 5 years, and the game is the worse for it. One of the major issues is the knobs at Stockley Park are just DESPERATE top get involved in everything, and DESPERATER to find a reason to rule goals out.
The only people benefitting from this are the endless officials, ex-officials and beaurocrats with their snouts in the EPL trough. It is a wet dream for the nmiddle managment kind of jobsworth who just loves talking shite about protocols and procedures. while alweays covering hisd own arse.
VAR is great. It’s the idiots in charge fucking it up.
Hali fucking lulya
I want VAR gone, but don’t trust these refs to handle things on their own.
The only reason VAR can stay (IMO), is if we change the rules.
– Making the penalty box smaller.
– Changing the offside rule (Allowing the ones where lines look identical)
– Handball rule has to change.
– Reckless challenge also has to change.
2019-20 – *Refs are making bad decisions* lets fix it by introducing VAR to help them.
2023-24 – *Refs are making bad decisions with VAR* lets fix it by getting rid of VAR.
It makes no sense. It’s the referees and the PGMOL that are the problem, not the technology.
Give it two-weeks without VAR and we’ll all be moaning about obscene decisions that cannot be undone, like flags going-up when nobody is remotely close to being offside, red cards for absolutely nothing, penalties for blatant dives.
This problem is easily fixed. Having competent people at the core would be a good start.
Wow shit officials implement a shit version of VAR.
The real vote should be for some sort of check to PGMOL’s incompetence. But that won’t happen because football is corrupt and being able to officiate with narratives and bias isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.
Here’s my thoughts on it. VAR isn’t the problem, the problem is the exact same thing that it was before VAR. It’s the refs. VAR should be entirely independent from the on-field refs, as in an entirely separate organization. A few other things they should do:
1) No matter what, if VAR is looking at something the on field ref should run to the monitor, or at least 90% of the time. If its something like offsides, no big deal, VAR can handle that. But Im so tired of games slowing down and then after 2 minutes the on field ref is like “Oh, I guess I should have another look at this.” Nah, if it is going to VAR and it is taking more than 15 seconds to decide, the ref should already be on his way to the VAR view and be in the discussion. They should be relaying to the VAR booth in real time what they saw from their viewpoint. This is a communication thing. They should be separate but equal in the decision making here, and the VAR team should not be afraid to tell the on field ref what they saw was wrong.
2) Revise the offsides rule. It should be clear and obvious offsides. No more of this millimeter bullshit. I do not trust the VAR system to make a ruling on offsides when literal millimeters are the difference between offsides or not. Especially since there is still a degree of uncertainty in the system, and there is still manual human inputs required to make the call (where the lines are placed, at what exact moment the ball was kicked, etc.) If its not clear, the offense should be given the benefit of the doubt. This rule was not made to keep the offense from making good runs through, it is intended to keep players from cherry picking behind the defensemen. That intention should be baked into the rule. If someone’s toe is offside, who the fuck cares? That’s not what the rule was intended to prevent.
3) The VAR team should be coordinating flagrant fouls & cards throughout the league and relaying that information to the public. No more of this bullshit where one call is a red in one game, and it isn’t even a foul in another game. They should be taking every card/flagrant foul into account and reviewing them for use in future games for that season. Otherwise, what is even the point of VAR looking into this stuff? If they get it wrong, explain to the public how it is wrong and how the correction will be implemented in the future, so both fans and players know. At the very least there is some accountability. Currently, it’s just crickets, and from game to game VAR has wildly varying decisions on certain fouls and we never hear why in one game it was a foul and the other it wasnt, all we get to hear now is speculation from retired refs who have taken up jobs as pundits. And this isn’t hard, sports leagues in America have had this sort of thing done for years, but with some variance on how public they make things, but I think soccer lends itself well to some more transparency because of how fast moving the games are, and how much every single game matters in a season.
I think these are much more viable changes to make than just nuking the whole thing, because nuking it doesnt solve the problem. We will just have refs making terrible decisions in real time once again.
So the officials get what they want
They never wanted it, do an on purpose shit job and get rewarded
Joke league
VAR isn’t the problem. It’s the implementation. Look at TMO in Rugby. It can be so simple. But they make it so difficult.
VAR don’t get to call the ref on field. The ref on field is the lead. He calls on assistants for support. They should be actively checking everything. And the on field ref calls if he wants something double checking. And make the conversation played around the stadium.
And it should be as stated. Clear and obvious. If they can’t resolve it in say 30s or 60s. It isn’t clear and obvious and move on.
Edit for example;
https://youtu.be/cF0C3BDKUxk?si=Z-jr_8RFn5bDyrCd
Refs not sure. Indicates HE wants tmo. With the arm movement making a screen. “Any reason not to give the try, look at if 15 goes to touch” translates to; this is the bit Im not sure on. Check that specifically. At bigger stadiums and tougher decisions. Refs don’t run to a screen. They use the stadium screens, if the refs still not sure. He calls the lineos and they make a consensus. Discussion not dictatorship. All on transmitted round the stadium and tv. Easy. Simple. Perfect.
They should get rid of referees and get better ones, VAR as technology is not the problem but the shitty decisions made for referees who aren’t even trying to use the tech as it should be.
Scrapping VAR is like telling the referees they’re doing a good job and that wouldn’t benefit the league, it would make it worse, we all know that English referees are well known to be bad even in European competitions, why giving them a chance to keep ruining the game with their bad job.
Get rid of it. It’s crap and not fit for purpose. Make offside about pure daylight and let refs judge in real time
It’s better than the alternative which is why it was introduced in the first place. Upgrade the process but I wouldn’t do away with it
Until the technology can call an offside in real time I say get rid of it. It’s sucked the joy out of celebrating a goal for me.
It’s obviously not fault of technology but the people operating it. Unfortunately people can’t be changed overnight, so the only option is whether to use technology or not
With VAR
1. More decisions overall are correct but the improvement isn’t matching expectations of clubs or fans
2. Mistakes earlier could be explained by human limitations but mistakes now disrepute quality of the league
3. VAR often slows the game down, robs the players n fans of moments to celebrate
4. PGMOL haven’t done enough to inspire confidence be it more frequent clarifications or real time audio
5. English refs were never known to top quality and VAR has proved it beyond doubt
I think PL should ask PGMOL on how they wish to address the issues with VAR and clubs should vote on whether they wish to try that or scrap it without trying
The loser either way with be the ref’s
I think we should keep it. The speed of the game has outpaced the officials’ ability to keep up with the real-time actions on field. I was fed-up with losing a game because a referee made a blatant and obvious mistake that caused the wrong team to gain an advantage. Ok it takes a bit longer to get the right, or close to the right result, but at least it is closer to correct and fair result.
Fuck it off, im yet to meet anyone who is in favour of var who regularly watches live games. Its killed celebration of goals.
Keep the goal line tech though
I’d rather the ref gets it wrong, than 4 incompetent idiots watching a screen do. Get rid.