This bodes well for Irish neutrality and abstaining from any notion of an ‘EU Army’ …. (looking forward to being downvoted reflexively for not celebrating when an Irish person does a thing).
*Watches on in triple lock.
It’s great to see that our defence forces are being recognised for their competence, despite years of underfunding and attempts by some people in society to run them down. It’s been a shameful period, but thankfully it looks like the tide is turning.
Was listening to a discussion about this potential appointment this morning. The guest read out Ireland’s defence capability and it was embarrassing really especially when the likes of Austria and Switzerland were cited for comparison.
We have no authority over our own airspace, national waters or land if a threat was carried out.
I fully support Irish neutrality in terms of not joining NATO or other military alliances. It’s very useful for us as a peacekeeping focused nation to not be tied to NATO.
However, if we want to be neutral, we need to actually be neutral and have a Defence Forces capable of enforcing our neutrality to some extent rather than relying on the British to defend us and patrol our airspace.
Obviously we’re never going to be a military heavyweight but our current model is fairly ridiculous, despite the great work done by the men and women in the Defence Forces.
Mad how successive governments have run our military into the ground, and yet we still get news like this. Beir bua lieutenant Clancy, yup the parish, hon the lads etc..
“Target is the UK”
🎵 It was far across the sea..
So many military strategists and tacticians on Irish Reddit. We’ll have this post sewn up for decades.
Conjecture here, but the conversations on Irish neutrality won’t mean diddly squat when we get smacked and turned into a forward airbase for a well equipped country if a war ever was to happen. Sadly if you want to be a neutral country, you have to be able to defend your neutrality. This needs to be understood.
Now, we can take our vengeance out on Denmark.
The emperor has no clothes.
Under-funding our military does my fucking head in. “There’s no conceivable threat” fuck off. Sometimes Ireland feels like it’s not a real country.
Im genuinely curious as to why some people on here are so opposed to us having a functional military let alone us aliging with western militaries or even god forbid work with or join nato?
We’re not fully neutral no matter what anyone tries to say, we rely on the big bad brits to keep our airspace and seas secure while also allowing usaf transports to land here. Even back as far as ww2 we would release allied pilots who were forced to crash or bail here but kept the german ones detained.
Russia openly takes hostile actions towards us, with bomber flights, the surface fleet exercise incident and the sub sniffing around cork harbour, all while doing their best to create the largest, most destructive war on the continent in the last 100 years. Why should we play nice in regards to them? Their media hosts have even presented an idea of setting off nukes in the atlantic with the goal of causing a tsunami that would level the uk, and we happen to be taken down along them in this scenario with 0 thought given.
In this day and age, where it looks more and more likely that europe is going to be at war again within a decade or two, are really going to repeat what we did, when we sat on our arses contributing near nought while hitler savaged europe? While i know we were a new nation, who were poor and for good reason had 0 trust in the british, that doesnt apply now. We may be small, and the difference we might make wouldnt be huge but being on the right side of history when this boils over, and being in a position to help when putin inevitably decides that he must own the rest of europe as well as what he’s already taken, surely thats a goal worth aiming for, no?
I spent 3/4 years in the army in the 2010s. Lads, you can believe me when I say our defence forces are tinpot AT BEST. We had lads who were wearing the same boots for years, holes and all. Couldnt get new uniforms for years at a time. Buying lovely, shiny new ships with no sailors to man them. An air corps that has no offensive/defensive prowess whatsoever. A rank and file beyond demoralised.
But ill tell you what, people running the DF could buy and sell you twice in a minute. The orhanisation is on its arse in a world of quicksand. This appointment is a political stunt and nothing else. Embarrassing to see an Irish officer being elevated to this position considering what he presided over at home.
Russians are defo spying on transatlantic cables or planting charges on them. Ireland just look at them from afar
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This bodes well for Irish neutrality and abstaining from any notion of an ‘EU Army’ …. (looking forward to being downvoted reflexively for not celebrating when an Irish person does a thing).
*Watches on in triple lock.
It’s great to see that our defence forces are being recognised for their competence, despite years of underfunding and attempts by some people in society to run them down. It’s been a shameful period, but thankfully it looks like the tide is turning.
Was listening to a discussion about this potential appointment this morning. The guest read out Ireland’s defence capability and it was embarrassing really especially when the likes of Austria and Switzerland were cited for comparison.
We have no authority over our own airspace, national waters or land if a threat was carried out.
I fully support Irish neutrality in terms of not joining NATO or other military alliances. It’s very useful for us as a peacekeeping focused nation to not be tied to NATO.
However, if we want to be neutral, we need to actually be neutral and have a Defence Forces capable of enforcing our neutrality to some extent rather than relying on the British to defend us and patrol our airspace.
Obviously we’re never going to be a military heavyweight but our current model is fairly ridiculous, despite the great work done by the men and women in the Defence Forces.
Mad how successive governments have run our military into the ground, and yet we still get news like this. Beir bua lieutenant Clancy, yup the parish, hon the lads etc..
“Target is the UK”
🎵 It was far across the sea..
So many military strategists and tacticians on Irish Reddit. We’ll have this post sewn up for decades.
Conjecture here, but the conversations on Irish neutrality won’t mean diddly squat when we get smacked and turned into a forward airbase for a well equipped country if a war ever was to happen. Sadly if you want to be a neutral country, you have to be able to defend your neutrality. This needs to be understood.
Now, we can take our vengeance out on Denmark.
The emperor has no clothes.
Under-funding our military does my fucking head in. “There’s no conceivable threat” fuck off. Sometimes Ireland feels like it’s not a real country.
Im genuinely curious as to why some people on here are so opposed to us having a functional military let alone us aliging with western militaries or even god forbid work with or join nato?
We’re not fully neutral no matter what anyone tries to say, we rely on the big bad brits to keep our airspace and seas secure while also allowing usaf transports to land here. Even back as far as ww2 we would release allied pilots who were forced to crash or bail here but kept the german ones detained.
Russia openly takes hostile actions towards us, with bomber flights, the surface fleet exercise incident and the sub sniffing around cork harbour, all while doing their best to create the largest, most destructive war on the continent in the last 100 years. Why should we play nice in regards to them? Their media hosts have even presented an idea of setting off nukes in the atlantic with the goal of causing a tsunami that would level the uk, and we happen to be taken down along them in this scenario with 0 thought given.
In this day and age, where it looks more and more likely that europe is going to be at war again within a decade or two, are really going to repeat what we did, when we sat on our arses contributing near nought while hitler savaged europe? While i know we were a new nation, who were poor and for good reason had 0 trust in the british, that doesnt apply now. We may be small, and the difference we might make wouldnt be huge but being on the right side of history when this boils over, and being in a position to help when putin inevitably decides that he must own the rest of europe as well as what he’s already taken, surely thats a goal worth aiming for, no?
I spent 3/4 years in the army in the 2010s. Lads, you can believe me when I say our defence forces are tinpot AT BEST. We had lads who were wearing the same boots for years, holes and all. Couldnt get new uniforms for years at a time. Buying lovely, shiny new ships with no sailors to man them. An air corps that has no offensive/defensive prowess whatsoever. A rank and file beyond demoralised.
But ill tell you what, people running the DF could buy and sell you twice in a minute. The orhanisation is on its arse in a world of quicksand. This appointment is a political stunt and nothing else. Embarrassing to see an Irish officer being elevated to this position considering what he presided over at home.
Russians are defo spying on transatlantic cables or planting charges on them. Ireland just look at them from afar