[Sky Sports] Wolves have listed what they call the ‘negative consequences’ of VAR in the Premier League with the club proposing a vote on abolishing the system

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  1. That’s a list of things that need fixing, not a list of reasons to abolish it

  2. Chants against var…Bunch of horseshit lol fans chant against rival clubs let’s abolish pl then stop playing football

  3. Improve the process, replace the people if you have to. Don’t bin the system that has dramatically reduced the number errors in the game. Your solution cannot be to voluntarily allow more errors, and actively seek to be more wrong.

  5. I hope they get a points deduction and huge fine and their manager banned for the whole of next season for daring to question the almighty PGMOL!!!!! /s

    If any team has a case it is them. But scrapping VAR isn’t the answer. It’s the incompetent twats who run it that need scrapping.

  6. It’s too easy to forget how many shit decisions have been averted as well as the mistakes. You don’t remember the right decisions. It needs better implementation. To remove it now without ironing out the issues seems almost like there is an agenda in place.

  8. they not wrong. But they do need to work with an editor on their wording

  9. These reasons are just stupid, sorry.

    Want to remove confusion inside the stadium? Take a page out of the XFLs book where the convos of the video refs can be heard, the footage they review can be seen and have the ref anounce the decision afterwards.

    People dont even hate VAR – they hate the incompetent helmets running it. English refs are pathetic and pgmol is getting way too little shit for hiding behind VAR and using it as a scapegoat.

  10. ugh, I hate that getting rid of VAR is even under consideration. It’s a great addition to the game and the rugby equivalent works well.

    Yes, the people running it are pretty incompetent, but that means they should be replaced/trained better and the rules around it changed, not the whole system scrapped! If a restaurant has shit food, it’s better to replace the chef than to burn the building down, same applies here.

  11. If I was on the Wolves board I’d be embarrassed by this.

    Most of these can be quickly mitigated with small changes such as adding the audio of the VAR and Referee to the stadium and TV.

    It’s quite telling that instead of considering a vote on improvements or changes to VAR, they’ve gone straight to scrapping it.

    That’s seriously weak.

  12. It seems to me there’s 2 root causes here:

    1. Ridiculous VAR waits: that’s gonna be fixed next season anyway with the automated VAR coming in and anyone who’s watched a game with the automated VAR can see it makes a huge difference to turnaround.
    2. Litigating subjectivity: we’re basically talking handball, right? There’s obviously the odd questionable “it’s looks worse when it’s slowed down, Gary” red card decisions, but we’re mostly talking about stupid handball penalties that feel deeply unfair where the offense is invisible to the naked eye. If it was up to me, I’d just ditch VAR for handball, since the handball rule is clearly not compatible with the way VAR is implemented.

  13. I think I might have a solution in mind that might be able to address the whole delays thing, and also the issue of overanalysing minor offenses that lead to major punishment.

    Limit the replays! A referee should only be allowed to watch an incident a maximum of 4 times or something. Two times in slow motion from alternate angles and 1-2 times at normal speed from wide view (or the clearest view for context of the actions). That way officials aren’t staring at the monitor or standing in the middle of the pitch for minutes while they deliberate over unclear footage. At that point after the allotted replays the referee has to make their final decision to stick with their on field decision or to change their mind with new footage.

    Thankfully offsides (the biggest culprit for delays) will be sorted next season with the semi automated system. Now we just need a proper streamlined process for handballs, penalties, illegal goals and red card offenses.

    The complaint about VAR ruining celebrations is overblown imo. I’d rather a correct decision reached instead of settling for wrongly awarded goals for the sake of goal celebrations.

  15. How about replacing those refs with continental ones? No VAR + bad refs, interesting decisions incoming.

  16. I agree with all of those points. They got it pretty spot on

  17. I agree with all of it, except the conclusion to scrap VAR.

    It seems to me that nearly all of those problems can be fixed by making the process open.

    Like, showing the replays on the screens in stadiums, referee announcing the decision, potentially even broadcasting the discussions between officials.

    All stuff that happens already in Rugby, cricket and American Football.

    It’s only football that seems dead set on complete secrecy for the officials until maybe releasing the transcript of a select few decisions weeks afterwards.

  18. When VAR works it works great, like at Arsenal when Newcastle played where there was the goal that got Arteta all up in arms afterwards.

    Ordinarily with no VAR there is no way that would have stood as it would have been ruled out for one of those things as they couldn’t look at it as closely as they can with VAR.

    So it’s not always a case of it not working.

    Most of the time the problem isn’t VAR itself but it’s the fact they are looking at the wrong thing in the incident, like for instance (Newcastle again sorry) the challenge on Gordon yesterday, had they looked at the first challenge by Ambrobrat then they would have seen 2 fouls, contact with Gordon’s Achiles and a push, however I cannot believe VAR actually did look at this and instead they either didn’t review it or they just focussed on Casimero’s challenge which was a perfectly good tackle but done after Gordon had already been fouled.

    Var is in early days, they are going to make mistakes but they should learn from it and minimise the ways in which it could be abused such as referees being protected by their friend on VAR.

    Var needs to be an independent process.

    It should still have professional referees who know the game in it though as if you have ex players they often get decisions wrong thinking they know the rules when they are wrong.

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