Forcing people to choose between jabs and jobs, and jabs and sick pay is disgusting. People have a right to choose what they believe is best for them, and “jab or job” is not a choice.
Unvaccinated people must contribute to the expense they impose on society.
Not forgetting of course that the vaccination does not stop you getting the virus or passing it on.
The best policy would be to force testing 2-3 times a week.
It’s worth saying that they weren’t reducing sick pay for unvaccinated staff, they just weren’t going to cover self isolation due to being a close contact when not actually sick under full pay any more.
Vaccinated people don’t have to isolate from contacts under current law unless they test positive.
Finally a company has the balls to say what is right.
Tricky one. I know that I and a few others at work are getting pretty tired of covering the workload of unvaccinated staff who are off in full pay just for being in contact with someone with covid.
Good job John Lewis. Thank god people with brain cells coming around.
I do wonder what the precedent is.
If you take part in extreme sports and pick up a lot of injuries would you get full sick pay?
What if you went on holiday to central Africa without the proper vaccines and anti malaria pills?
Good, I’ll support any retailer that bucks the trend here.
Where does something like this stop? Hey you didnt get the flu vaccine now your sick with flu… To bad, or chickenpox, or heb B, heck let’s throw in HPV. Where is the acceptable line between policing what goes on to someone else’s body and discrimination based on that fact?
Can’t test positive or be a close contact if you don’t take a test or have the test and trace app that would ping you as a close contact.
As much as I am exasperated beyond measure at imbecilic anti-intellectual populist movements this pandemic has spawned thanks to self-interested politicians and talking heads, I am preferential to less precedents being set for workers liberties being stripped by arbitrary decision of corporate interests.
Nice one John Lewis. Fuck Next, Ocado and the likes of them.
The company I work for acted as if COVID didn’t happen apart from office staff that could work from home . People literal risked there lives going in and the reward was pay dock and loss of bonus. No wonder we have people are handing there notices in on mass now things have settled that’s 4 this month and more in the way so I hear
John Lewis were the top offender in the UK for being caught paying less than the minimum wage.
Yeah I agree with this. Where does it stop? Drawing this line between good and “bad” people like this. What about people acting incredibly irresponsibly and not taking precautions?
I’ve managed over 15 staff during this epidemic and there’s a huge spectrum to attitudes towards it. From some people who have tested twice the whole time to others that have say tested twice a week. It’s a bad precedent to draw this line, I don’t think the importance of them drawing the line is having the desired effect.
…and if its a purely financial thing, then let’s tax obesity, smoking, single mothers etc. Alcohol related, greed, ego etc. Miraculously…the NHS was on its knees about ten days ago. Now Boris thinks all systems are go, are those unvaccinated that big of a problem?
I think one last thing that just kind of dawned on me. There is a spectrum of reasons as to why people are vaccine hesitant. The mistrust issue where the drug companies have been granted legal immunity must rank pretty high. Something that’s totally not discussed and a lot appear to have an issue with its long term effects and how quickly it was created.
What’s to stop people working at these companies from straight up lying and still attending work? Staff working in warehouses in Next and Ocado make barely above minimum wage anyway. “Oh, if I tell my boss I need to isolate because I’ve taken a personal choice not to vaccinate myself and someone I may or may not know has covid, I’m not going to get paid as per my contract? Ok, well I’m fine, I’ve not been in contact with anyone” *turns up for work*. How exactly are they checking this? Employers do not and should not have access to an employees medical and immunisation history unless it’s relevant to the job and the employee agrees.
Wonderful. Now all their customers get to pay for their moronic anti-vaxx staff to sit at home.
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Forcing people to choose between jabs and jobs, and jabs and sick pay is disgusting. People have a right to choose what they believe is best for them, and “jab or job” is not a choice.
Unvaccinated people must contribute to the expense they impose on society.
Not forgetting of course that the vaccination does not stop you getting the virus or passing it on.
The best policy would be to force testing 2-3 times a week.
It’s worth saying that they weren’t reducing sick pay for unvaccinated staff, they just weren’t going to cover self isolation due to being a close contact when not actually sick under full pay any more.
Vaccinated people don’t have to isolate from contacts under current law unless they test positive.
Finally a company has the balls to say what is right.
Tricky one. I know that I and a few others at work are getting pretty tired of covering the workload of unvaccinated staff who are off in full pay just for being in contact with someone with covid.
Good job John Lewis. Thank god people with brain cells coming around.
I do wonder what the precedent is.
If you take part in extreme sports and pick up a lot of injuries would you get full sick pay?
What if you went on holiday to central Africa without the proper vaccines and anti malaria pills?
Good, I’ll support any retailer that bucks the trend here.
Where does something like this stop? Hey you didnt get the flu vaccine now your sick with flu… To bad, or chickenpox, or heb B, heck let’s throw in HPV. Where is the acceptable line between policing what goes on to someone else’s body and discrimination based on that fact?
Can’t test positive or be a close contact if you don’t take a test or have the test and trace app that would ping you as a close contact.
As much as I am exasperated beyond measure at imbecilic anti-intellectual populist movements this pandemic has spawned thanks to self-interested politicians and talking heads, I am preferential to less precedents being set for workers liberties being stripped by arbitrary decision of corporate interests.
Nice one John Lewis. Fuck Next, Ocado and the likes of them.
The company I work for acted as if COVID didn’t happen apart from office staff that could work from home . People literal risked there lives going in and the reward was pay dock and loss of bonus. No wonder we have people are handing there notices in on mass now things have settled that’s 4 this month and more in the way so I hear
John Lewis were the top offender in the UK for being caught paying less than the minimum wage.
Yeah I agree with this. Where does it stop? Drawing this line between good and “bad” people like this. What about people acting incredibly irresponsibly and not taking precautions?
I’ve managed over 15 staff during this epidemic and there’s a huge spectrum to attitudes towards it. From some people who have tested twice the whole time to others that have say tested twice a week. It’s a bad precedent to draw this line, I don’t think the importance of them drawing the line is having the desired effect.
…and if its a purely financial thing, then let’s tax obesity, smoking, single mothers etc. Alcohol related, greed, ego etc. Miraculously…the NHS was on its knees about ten days ago. Now Boris thinks all systems are go, are those unvaccinated that big of a problem?
I think one last thing that just kind of dawned on me. There is a spectrum of reasons as to why people are vaccine hesitant. The mistrust issue where the drug companies have been granted legal immunity must rank pretty high. Something that’s totally not discussed and a lot appear to have an issue with its long term effects and how quickly it was created.
What’s to stop people working at these companies from straight up lying and still attending work? Staff working in warehouses in Next and Ocado make barely above minimum wage anyway. “Oh, if I tell my boss I need to isolate because I’ve taken a personal choice not to vaccinate myself and someone I may or may not know has covid, I’m not going to get paid as per my contract? Ok, well I’m fine, I’ve not been in contact with anyone” *turns up for work*. How exactly are they checking this? Employers do not and should not have access to an employees medical and immunisation history unless it’s relevant to the job and the employee agrees.
Wonderful. Now all their customers get to pay for their moronic anti-vaxx staff to sit at home.
Good luck with _that_ approach.