Japan ist besorgt über eine Reihe jüngster Äußerungen von US-Beamten, die die Atombombenabwürfe vom August 1945 rechtfertigen
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/05/15/japan/politics/japan-us-atomic-bomb-remark-concern/
Japan ist besorgt über eine Reihe jüngster Äußerungen von US-Beamten, die die Atombombenabwürfe vom August 1945 rechtfertigen
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/05/15/japan/politics/japan-us-atomic-bomb-remark-concern/
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Since we are talking about old shit, want to talk about what happened in Nanking in 1937?
> Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshimasa Hayashi told a news conference Monday that these remarks are “extremely regrettable.”
> The atomic bombings “took many precious lives, caused (a number of) people to suffer unspeakable hardships such as illnesses and brought about an extremely regrettable humanitarian situation,” the top government spokesman said.
I don’t understand why they complain when Japan still enshrines over 1000 war criminals and denies WW2 atrocities
> The atomic bombings “took many precious lives, caused (a number of) people to suffer unspeakable hardships such as illnesses and brought about an extremely regrettable humanitarian situation,” the top government spokesman said.
Do we really need reminding of the extent of the atrocities inflicted by the Imperial Japanese Armed Forces on the peoples of China, Korea, Manchuria, Thailand, Taiwan, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Cambodia, Laos, the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Myanmar, New Guinea, Guam, East Timor, and Nauru?
In China alone, millions of people died at the hands of Imperial Japanese occupation forces. The exact numbers vary wildly from 3 million to 20 million depending who you ask, but there’s just no comparison.
The debate about the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki will continue until the end of time, but from reading the accounts of people whose ancestors suffered under Japanese occupation, one thing is clear: if any of the above countries had had nuclear weapons instead of the United States, all of Japan would have been destroyed, even after their surrender.
Well Japan, have you tried not attacking Pearl Harbor or not raping Nanking?
Let us know when you get to that.
I take exception to people with a full belly, sitting in a comfy air-conditioned office with no recently murdered friends or family in harms way tut-tutting and judging people seventy years ago.
Just reminding y’all that using nukes is pretty damn shitty and hopefully won’t happen again
Setting aside the thousands and thousands and thousands of rapes and murders that the Imperial Japanese army inflicted on China and the rest of Asia and SE Asia, the biological experiments, the Bataan Death March and all the other war-time atrocities…setting all that aside, the atomic bombings were LESS destructive than the fire-bombings that had preceded them.
The cliche ‘shock and awe’ of bombs able to level whole cities was the only thing that horrified the Emperor of Japan enough to defy his military leadership and demand a surrender.
Until those bombs were used, the military had convinced Hirohito that the Allies would never invade due to the lives that would be lost. Well, the Allies produced 1.5 MILLION Purple Heart medals in preparation for that very same invasion. So, yeah, we were going to do that.
The most ironic part is that the invasion of Japan by conventional forces would likely have brought about the total or near total destruction of Japan rather than just two cities.
They were preparing their old people and kids to attack with sticks and suicide bomb shit. And yeah, they would do that, look at the Kamikaze fighters.
So, at the end of the day, it saved a whole fucking lot of lives.
Again, to be cliche, it was the least of all evils.
Let them be concerned.
The context is Lindsey Graham’s suggestion that Israel should drop a nuke on Gaza because it’s in a similar situation to the situation the US was in during WWII.
> “Can I say this? Why is it okay for America to drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end their existential threat war?” he said. “Why was it okay for us to do that? I thought it was okay.”
> “So, Israel do whatever you have to do to survive as a Jewish state. Whatever you have to do,” Graham concluded.
Of course Lindsey Graham is saying this mostly to generate outrage, but it’s still an extremely irresponsible thing to suggest.
Did you know you can recognize the crimes committed by the Empire of Japan AND still think dropping atomic bombs on innocent people is fucked up? 🤔
Imperial Japan isn’t going to garner much sympathy.
Unit 731, nanking, death marches, list goes on.
It was total war nearly 100 years ago.
Republicans will do anything to alienate our allies.
Some of the comments here are concerning, as well. I guess they have a point
I’m pretty sure the bombs were necessary, they stopped Japan from sending more of their own citizens to die like the kamikaze.
The Japanese government can be pissed after they apologize for all of their war crimes, a lot were arguably unnecessary.
Graham needs to STFU. He is only 1 IQ point better than Tubberville. Go back to stealing shrimp at Mara-Lago.
As far as I’m aware as an American, we’ve never stopped justifying using nukes Japan.
Noone in the US should say anything of the sort. Opening your big fat mouth is a breach of authority and trust. STFU, you miserable, loud mouth fool.
I’m a 44-year-old staunch Democrat, and I 100% support the United States’ decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan. Japan “fucked around and found out” as they say these days. Germany would have gotten the same treatment had the bombs been ready. However, I do not support using nukes anymore. The threat of nukes *should* cause weaker armies to surrender. That sure hasn’t played out that way, though, mostly because of the nuclear ban agreements that I think might need some revision.
One senator from South Carolina is not “US officials,” folks.
This is just LDP nationalist claptrap.
The conservative ultranationalists have been whitewashing the War for 80 years, and have no intention of stopping now.
Most Japanese people aren’t insane.
While Graham bring up nukes is ridiculous anyone who says the US shouldn’t have used nukes also needs to be ok with saying the US should have sent a million more men to their deaths in a full land invasion
Lindsey Graham is not an official. He is a former water carrier for Trump.
1. (Not that this is a moral excuse) Japan was not our immediate neighbor.
2. Hamas isn’t Imperial Japan
There was never a justification for letting that monster out.
People in here seem shocked that Japan does not appreciate the nukes or is thankful?
They had two entire cities filled with civilians wiped out in singular bombs. Visiting the museum in Hiroshima will leave a horrifically depressing impact on you.
I am not arguing for or against the use of the bombs, that debate will rage for rest of time. I am stating that Japan is not going to react thankfully to the use of the bombs, no nation on the receiving end would or does.
Dresden, the blitz, 9/11, It is rare for countries to react well to being bombed whether justified, at war or a plain act of terror.
Equally, Japan is not going to react well to others boasting or suggesting what happened was a good thing. No country would. It’s politics, Japanese politicians answer to their population and country.
Yes imperial japan was fucked and bombing two cities in japan ended japans part in the war though, dropping a bomb on civilians was a catastrophe. A lot of innocent lives lost some for and some against the war. War is war, there’s no winners just death.
1985 and I’m at uni, with one of my subjects being political science. Our lecturer was a “Socialist”, but overall pretty communist in a lot of his stuff.
During one session we had to debate the atomic bomb drops on Japan in WWII and he comes out and says that he thinks it was the right thing to do. Nearly fell off my chair as he was anti-Us in everything else (got to remember the Cold War was peaking then).
I can understand why the Japanese are so sensitive.
Anybody who suggests nukes for anything needs to be removed from power. Lindsey Graham is a fucking idiot and should have nothing to do with the war
‘US officials’. Don’t take it too seriously Japan. Lindsay will say anything for attention and his opinion is about as valuable as a empty Coke can
Japan should be more concerned about whitewashing their history. Funny how they play the victim so vocally but suppresses all the war crimes they committed. It’s a two way street.
They can be “concerned” all they like. Why should anyone change their tune for them?
Lindsay Graham is one of the more disgusting and callous humans I know. He’s proven over and over again that he has zero principles other than holding onto power.
He’s also a weak little toad of a man who hides behind tough words but couldn’t win a fistfight with a schoolgirl.
The Imperial Japan is a sadistic fucker. Those nukes are justified.
Japan, that was a moron speaking. All apologies.
To even suggest nukes basically means you’re a crazy person in my eyes.
When are these old fucks like linday graham gonna croak so we can actually advance and have modern leaders? So tired of this
It’s all “wah wah wah” until the war starts
From my point of view, Japan had it coming. For all their atrocities they committed to Chinese, Koreans, Philippines and any more, they should feel lucky that Operation Downfall did not happen.
Modern day Japanese leaders still worship war criminals publicly. I am surprised no one called them out for it. It is like if Germany canonise Adolf Hitler and Chancellor Merkel prays to him for his contribution to Germany.
Using the nukes was wrong. Using any nuclear weapon is wrong.
Americans are heavily indoctrinated into thinking the nukes were justified, they spout crap like how it saved lives, or that the fire raids are worst or whatever other propaganda they were fed growing up.
End of the day there is no justification for the nukes, they had a purpose, they achieved said purpose. That doesn’t make them right or morale. It was an evil act end of story
I cannot help but believe that the argument that “many more would have died” is a belief sold by their goverment at the time, but nonetheless weak and very likely of propagandistic nature.
After the cold war, there are two things yankees repeat nonstop to this day, “communism bad” and “the nuclear bombings saved many lives”.
I even heard most of the highest ranked military people leading this war were opposed to the use of such weapon, being absolutely coward to target so many innocents, children and women. But of course, we will hear the words of truman and other politicians, not theirs.
North americans carry the flag of dishonour with pride. Your goverment sells you lies and you just consume it, no matter how many of your enemies die, how many allies, how many of your innocents, and not even how many of your own.
Your goverments sucks so bad, they are too good at propaganda, and y’all are too fucking violent and think about life as numbers to give a fuck about it.
I mean… the Allies were going to kill a hell of a lot of people regardless of whether or not the bomb was used. There were plans Douglas MacArthur had rubber stamped that had the place sectioned up into a grid with each being saturation bombed at length with a massive ground invasion as a follow up. Those purple heart medals veterans get when they are maimed in the line of duty? They printed the number they projected they would need for that campaign and, well, we still haven’t used up the ones made in WWII. 1,506,000 medals means 1,506,000 maimed or dead.
And that is just for America. The *Japanese* deaths, if a surrender hadn’t been coerced, would have been vastly worse. Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined cost up to 215000 deaths, going with the most severe estimates, which is lower than the deaths on either side of an invasion using conventional means. Just the great fire bombing of Tokyo by itself killed 100,000 Japanese and it would have brought friends to the party.
The Japanese needed to be fought and beaten in their darkest page in the history book. If you are going to fight someone its your duty to win as swiftly as possible for everyone’s sake
It wouldn’t solve a damn thing with Palestine but it did the job in WWII.
Justification doesn’t matter
Did you guys know that the USA covered up unit 731’s atrocities and Japan still tested on humans on mainland Japan well into the 60’s?
Cutting babies out of women, stds, rape, vivisection. Crazy.
Well I find the ridiculous notion of nuking Gaza more concerning.
Japan was a different animal a century ago. They wouldn’t have hesitated either.
The US had to end WWII and stop WWIII.
Nukes prevented an all-out war with the Soviet Union.
before i say anything else… lindsey graham is a fucking ‘tard and his comments are gross. What Israel is doing is genocide. There is *no comparison* between what is happening in Gaza and what America did in WW2. If anything, Israel is playing the role of the Nazis.
that being said, think about this people… the nukes were *the least horrific option* at that point in the war. If the nukes had not happened, millions more soldiers and civilians would have died in a protracted war in the pacific. The Japanese army was committing absolutely unspeakable human atrocities in China and other surrounding countries. Japan was *never* going to win that war on their own, and as a country, would have most likely been irreparably devastated if the war had continued. despite the absolutely tragic loss of life, many times more lives were saved due to how decisively nuking those cities ended the pacific front.