We just don’t know what constraints they’re dealing with, I would assume it’s not some arbitrary request made for fun. Letting Ukraine focus on one system (for now) makes sense assuming they get enough F-16s. Should make training and logistics so much easier.
That’s the most stupid thing ever, Ukraine need both gripen and f16, especially since a lot o f16 coalition countries won’t let their weapons be used on Russian soil.
Maybe let Ukrainians decide themselves.
I’m sad
Gripen is the best match for this conflict. F-16 are going to be hunted on the ground with cluster munitions while Gripen could be dispersed much better!
Which one can carry Meteors? Which one has longer range radar?
Sweeden will do the right things and provide gripen anyway. You know, after the baltics and poland, russia has a very big BIG eyes on Gotland.
As always all the keyboard Reddit warriors knows better than the people currently training Ukrainian pilots…
*I, despite having zero insight into this issue, proudly declares this request to be insane. Source: Because I say so, it’s common sense*
The Gripen in truth is a great solution. Store it on the side of a road away from an airfield. Capable fighter bomber with a fantastic range of weapons
Maybe speed things up then…
This shouldn’t be some sort of Sharks and Jets turf war. We’re all Jets!!
As a swede I think most people read this and understand things the wrong way…
1 this is a previously unknown confirmation that our goverment is Actively moving forward with gripen to ukraine,
The latest actual news were a question to the military on their opinion/ability to give ukraine gripen, that they were to give the goverment. The answer was top secret, other than that, there have been no official staments on the mather and that was 6 months ago give or take.
2 if you read the article it says PAUSE and UNTIL DELIVERIES OF F16 IS DONE, so it dose not say don’t
And right now is an important stage, the actual deliveries and implementation.
My guess is that f16 was doing something important and key person was bussy in a meeting with sweden or something, so they had to wait for him/her to be done, and that brought this message on.
Just to note Ukraine has already been pledged over 80 F16s. Sweden only has 71 Gripens in their airforce, they could probably only offer another 20. There are only about 250 gripens in circulation.
There are around 4000 f16s in circulation, so the work to support another whole airframe and logistics just doesn’t make sense for 20 planes.
It will be far easier to pressure f16 operating countries to provide more planes and keep the single airframe support system.
Wait, why? Gripens are excellent planes for Ukraine. They can take off of roads!
Gripen is actually perfect for Ukraine. It can be launched with a support team of 4 people from the straight road in the middle of the forrest.
F-16 needs much more pampering
The F-16 Coalition needs to grow some damn balls.
Go ahead Sweeden, the citizens of Europe want this war over.
If Ukraine itself says this, ok.
But it might also be a result of wanting to sell planes to Ukraine later on. Blocking the introduction of a better suited plane might just be something certain defense manufacturers wants to lessen competition later.
So, what does Ukraine say?
For me, Gripens should be delivered ASAP.
I kind of agree with the decision. All focus should be on introducing the F-16 right now. The Gripen will be a good addition later. The F-16 is needed now.
Unless this war is intended to drag out as long as possible then you provide lots of planes. They need both. The logistics can be separate and they can deal with types of ammo and two types of target. Let sweden and ukraine deal with the problem and lets not tell Ukraine how to fight a war… a war they are more capable dealing with than most western military as long as they have weapons
Today i would take a gripen over an f16 immediately. F16 offered by the allies are end of life frames with old radar and it is unclear if they will have reasonably modern avionic and even long range aa missile capsbility. Gripen is a modern aircraft, with great radar, ready to deply long range aa, compatible with everything. Famous for its extremely low running cost and capable to fly from a country road.
Why not both?
I’m sure it’s also valuable for Sweden to see what their planes are capable of. They were made exactly for this scenario, no?
A Gripen now without support or training is better than vapourware F-16 fighters that are often teased but never arrive.
It is becoming obvious, that the Americans want Ukraine to make Russia bleed, but not actually lose.
Don’t collapse Russia. Don’t force regime change. Don’t make clear that they could not win if we tried.
NATO has had provocations that could have counted as article 5 triggers, enough to threaten Russia and back them away from any more war crimes, or war period.
I am more convinced than ever that 1960’s America read Foundation by Asimov and thought, “That is the way!”
They have some “magic/science” predicting where the nuclear wars happen and are steering the world away from those, or else none of this makes sense.
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We just don’t know what constraints they’re dealing with, I would assume it’s not some arbitrary request made for fun. Letting Ukraine focus on one system (for now) makes sense assuming they get enough F-16s. Should make training and logistics so much easier.
That’s the most stupid thing ever, Ukraine need both gripen and f16, especially since a lot o f16 coalition countries won’t let their weapons be used on Russian soil.
Maybe let Ukrainians decide themselves.
I’m sad
Gripen is the best match for this conflict. F-16 are going to be hunted on the ground with cluster munitions while Gripen could be dispersed much better!
Which one can carry Meteors? Which one has longer range radar?
Sweeden will do the right things and provide gripen anyway. You know, after the baltics and poland, russia has a very big BIG eyes on Gotland.
As always all the keyboard Reddit warriors knows better than the people currently training Ukrainian pilots…
*I, despite having zero insight into this issue, proudly declares this request to be insane. Source: Because I say so, it’s common sense*
The Gripen in truth is a great solution. Store it on the side of a road away from an airfield. Capable fighter bomber with a fantastic range of weapons
Maybe speed things up then…
This shouldn’t be some sort of Sharks and Jets turf war. We’re all Jets!!
As a swede I think most people read this and understand things the wrong way…
1 this is a previously unknown confirmation that our goverment is Actively moving forward with gripen to ukraine,
The latest actual news were a question to the military on their opinion/ability to give ukraine gripen, that they were to give the goverment. The answer was top secret, other than that, there have been no official staments on the mather and that was 6 months ago give or take.
2 if you read the article it says PAUSE and UNTIL DELIVERIES OF F16 IS DONE, so it dose not say don’t
And right now is an important stage, the actual deliveries and implementation.
My guess is that f16 was doing something important and key person was bussy in a meeting with sweden or something, so they had to wait for him/her to be done, and that brought this message on.
Just to note Ukraine has already been pledged over 80 F16s. Sweden only has 71 Gripens in their airforce, they could probably only offer another 20. There are only about 250 gripens in circulation.
There are around 4000 f16s in circulation, so the work to support another whole airframe and logistics just doesn’t make sense for 20 planes.
It will be far easier to pressure f16 operating countries to provide more planes and keep the single airframe support system.
Wait, why? Gripens are excellent planes for Ukraine. They can take off of roads!
Gripen is actually perfect for Ukraine. It can be launched with a support team of 4 people from the straight road in the middle of the forrest.
F-16 needs much more pampering
The F-16 Coalition needs to grow some damn balls.
Go ahead Sweeden, the citizens of Europe want this war over.
If Ukraine itself says this, ok.
But it might also be a result of wanting to sell planes to Ukraine later on. Blocking the introduction of a better suited plane might just be something certain defense manufacturers wants to lessen competition later.
So, what does Ukraine say?
For me, Gripens should be delivered ASAP.
I kind of agree with the decision. All focus should be on introducing the F-16 right now. The Gripen will be a good addition later. The F-16 is needed now.
Unless this war is intended to drag out as long as possible then you provide lots of planes. They need both. The logistics can be separate and they can deal with types of ammo and two types of target. Let sweden and ukraine deal with the problem and lets not tell Ukraine how to fight a war… a war they are more capable dealing with than most western military as long as they have weapons
Today i would take a gripen over an f16 immediately. F16 offered by the allies are end of life frames with old radar and it is unclear if they will have reasonably modern avionic and even long range aa missile capsbility. Gripen is a modern aircraft, with great radar, ready to deply long range aa, compatible with everything. Famous for its extremely low running cost and capable to fly from a country road.
Why not both?
I’m sure it’s also valuable for Sweden to see what their planes are capable of. They were made exactly for this scenario, no?
A Gripen now without support or training is better than vapourware F-16 fighters that are often teased but never arrive.
It is becoming obvious, that the Americans want Ukraine to make Russia bleed, but not actually lose.
Don’t collapse Russia. Don’t force regime change. Don’t make clear that they could not win if we tried.
NATO has had provocations that could have counted as article 5 triggers, enough to threaten Russia and back them away from any more war crimes, or war period.
I am more convinced than ever that 1960’s America read Foundation by Asimov and thought, “That is the way!”
They have some “magic/science” predicting where the nuclear wars happen and are steering the world away from those, or else none of this makes sense.
Why pause or limit anything?