‘Why now?’ UK teens respond to Tory national service scheme
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9xx1w48wjdo
by Anon1mouse12
‘Why now?’ UK teens respond to Tory national service scheme
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9xx1w48wjdo
by Anon1mouse12
41 comments
Why do Young Conservatives always look so much like Young Conservatives
Why do people think kids should be ‘giving back’ to the the country? Every generation since the war has had better opportunities than kids do now.
Older people and wealthy people are the ones who should be ‘giving back’, what they took.
Could the BBC not find anyone who isnt a Young Conservative or a budding politician?
This is a stupid idea, and I say that as someone who is too old to be called up under any reasonable circumstances.
UK has a professional military, let’s focus on that rather than stupid ideas to manipulate employment numbers and “teach young people a lesson”, when most people in the UK today have no concept of what military service is like.
Surely this is just a pre election ploy to get votes from a certain demographic, does anyone actually think that teens would turn up for national service!?
Why now? Because there is a GE coming up and the Tories are trying to court voters who are considering going over to Reform. They aren’t interested in what young people think because as a voting block we are irrelevant and because the few who do weren’t going to vote Tory anyway.
This is never going to happen, it’s just one of many outlandish suggestions we will see between now and election day.
Remember kids – *Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori!*
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
Obviously the junior tories have been issued with their “bone spurs ” passes already so will support this.
It’s the dumbest idea ever that’s clearly had no thinking behind it whatsoever. The military side of it just seems like a logistical nightmare dumping 30,000 (about the size of our army reserve) 18 year olds every year across the forces to spend a ridiculous amount of resource into training them only to let them go (because you can’t afford to keep them) and then repeat the cycle with the next batch of 18 year olds.
The civilian side is even worse, you’re going to be forced to work for free in the NHS, Ambulance, Fire, Police or critical local infrastructure for 25 days across 12 months…. Aside from that not being enough time to be any more useful than making tea for everyone there’s a myriad of issues like the effect on your employability until that’s out the way, do you have to defer university to do this, how far are you going to have to travel to do this compulsory service, is your travel/food/accommodation (if required) covered or do you need to cover this yourself? That’s just a few off the top of my head.
It smacks of trying to get free labour under the guise of “doing your bit” and will probably just cause more issues than it’ll solve.
Why now? Because the Tories need a vote winner, which is much more important.
“Why now?”
Because the Tories are desperately trying to cling to power by appealing to boomers. Nothing gets their voter base riled up like rampant xenophobia and wartime nostalgia
“Why now?”
Because Rishi and his team had an old House of Cards on and neglected to notice Urquhart was the bad guy.
I feel like this and the triple-lock plus are the Tories’ equivalent of Corbyn’s free broadband policy – they’ve realised they haven’t got a cat in hell’s chance of winning, so they’re free to throw out the most insane red meat nonsense policies to persuade their core voters not to switch to Reform, without any risk whatsoever of being required to deliver on it.
I give them until the end of next week to announce that they’ll bring back corporal punishment (“For treason and murder”) if elected.
After that will be a pledge to reverse Welsh and Scottish devolution.
What else?
“Why now”
Probably because the European end of NATO is staring at the possibility of military engagements and/or war with Russia and they haven’t got the bodies in the army lol.
Imagine thinking people need to “give back” to a country that’s cutting service after service, with a government full of corrupt rich bastards who won’t pay taxes, especially teenagers.
It’s a dead cat. They want you talking about this instead of the 14 years of Tory failure.
Very fair and un-biased of the BBC there, interviewing 2 ‘air cadet’ kids and a young Tory??
Why don’t they speak to a kid from Toxteth, Brixton, Moss side, Derry etc ??
Because now they need votes, and there are a lot of British Nationalist, “flatten the Middle East”, ‘kids have it too easy these days” types that they are pandering too for them. Your kids future means nothing, only votes count!
If it was an actual plan they would have announced it before calling a General Election in which they’re going to be wiped out.
This is boomer bait and nothing more. There’s no other “why” to it
I wonder how many would get instantly disqualified for being anti monarchy and claiming to be a republican, treasonist or an anarchist?
Even if the Tories win they’ll not bring this in, it’s a policy to stop people talking about the actual issues, for which they have no solutions and are mostly the cause.
> Eighteen-year-old Jade Marie Carnaje, an air cadet, said the national service plan was overall a “good idea”.
Articles like this are useless as they try to find people to support every view point. What they should be doing is highlighting the disparity in how popular the view points are.
Makes it sound as if young people are split 50/50 on national service. When in practice it is one weirdo against everyone else.
They would have been better off trying to make the armed forces more appealing rather than demanding the return of national service.
Personally, I don’t have a problem with any of the volunteer work. I did my 7 years ‘volunteering service’ in the air cadets (OK, not exactly national service) and loved every second of it.
However, you also need to look at the timing of such an announcement. The govt started telling people to prepare 3 days worth of goods in their cupboards. Now they want national service to return in some form.
All those NEETs (Not in Education, Employment or Training) should be the first ones signed up. Get them a trade and they will be looked-after in the armed forces.
Find me a British person who wants a war. We should be minding our own business on our own little island rather than pandering to the needs of the yanks.
It’s funny how this has been announced just after an election has, isn’t it?
This hogwash, which they have zero intention to ever implement, is all anyone is talking about. On Sunday It was on the front page of every newspaper, instead of, say, Paula Venells. They’ve won this battle, the fucking bastards.
‘We asked some teens who currently volunteer or do military based clubs if they think volunteering or military based clubs are a good idea’
I like the idea of national service. Anyone who wants to be an MP should be forced to do it. Same as anyone who wants to be a Lord.
We can extend it to people who inherit above £1M, senior leaders of BBC n other media companies as well as leaders of Bank of England, retail/investment banks, social media companies, etc.
If national service is designed to take kids out of bubble, then there are many positions which need people without biased of their bubble
Last month, the MoD said we needed conscription. This month, Rishi says we Need 18yr olds to have experience in the army… sounds suspicious.
No jail sentence, no fines for refusal.
Could do forced voluntary weekends though, so if you’re in uni and live away from home, you have to attend uni, work, and attend forced voluntary work.
How is an 18 year old student with a part time job supposed to find one weekend a month to volunteer?
We currently struggle getting people to attend school and you reckon we can enforce this?
Is it weird i wouldn’t have even minded if it were a thing when i was 18? – provided there wasnt an impending or active war?
I just feel like there’s a lot of skills and experience learned that would pay off long term.
I was in the Air Cadets from 12 to 21
Its an excellent group, really helps people become grow, gets them shooting and flying and doing DofE. Different kids of different backgrounds, some that had been in trouble, some that were proper toffs.
However, they have been reducing funding, reducing the activities that the kids do, wrapping it all up in red tape and “Insurance issues”
They should stop with this hateful gimmick/indetured serviture and focus on the 4 feeder cadet services that were providing a large portion of the recruits up until the last 14 years
I’m honestly amazed anybody is taking this seriously. We really are easily distracted aren’t we.
it’s actually pretty disgusting. this country does nothing for young people and wants them to temporarily enslave themselves for the benefit of everyone else? education is shite, education maintenance allowance no longer exists (i would not have even been able to afford to go to college without that grant as it paid for my train fare), youth social services basically non existent, NHS a shambles, stripped of their freedom to live and love across Europe, future prospects bleak…
what has this country or government done for them? I’m 33 and know that every bit of progress i’ve made and every success i have had in life has been *in spite* of the conservatives, not because of them. i can’t point to one single thing in 14 years that has been targeted to benefit people like me specifically. i can list a whole fucking swathe of ways they’ve made my life harder though.
Well, there’s an aggressive and expansionist Russia on Europe’s doorstep so that’s probably why it’s now…
I’m not sure why they angle this as we need to “give back” am I not already giving back by paying taxes?
Fucking hell of course there’s the most rightwing brain dead statement of “it will make you proud to be British”. Fuck right off
Possibly because we are on the brink of wwlll
And are a few hundred thousand soldiers short🤔so teenagers look like a good option 🫣
It’s simple the Tories hate everyone apart from racist, senile brexiteers. This is punishment for not voting Tory
This is a party which has zero vision or ideas to make this country better
Good riddance to them
Because they think the only people who support them are the spiteful ones who will vote for it
That or Sunak is absolutely out to tank the Tories into non existence
It took 3 days for a major media company to ask the affected their thoughts