UK doesn’t really participate to Europe as an actor for negotiation, they are an extension of the US.
Macron being weak on that file will harm his chances rather than help so that argument is also bad.
The real reason is that both Putin and Biden (and their respective lackeys with Lukachenka and Bojo) benefit from a cold war era narrative to boost their popularity, while in Europe bellicism isn’t very popular, and we’re more interested in economic perspectives and concerned with internal struggle.
In short, Europeans don’t really care about the crisis in Ukraine. If we did, we would already have done things.
A good summery of things so far. Don’t think there is much displeasure over the US talking over our heads in most of Europe.
We don’t want anything different from the Americans and we are not united around an alternative to how they are negotiating. To most governments an EU negotiation in place of the american one would be as far from their ideal negotiation as the american is. Thus there is no feeling of urgency in making such negotiations necessary for the Russians.
Those feelings would be different if the US negotiations were a shitshow, but they’re managing fine and their harder line is pleasant for those in the east and lets those elsewhere not be involved, which is how they like it.
The only ones currently displeased are the French and the Germans who want a say. Yet ironically, they themselves don’t share a vision.
>One can see this power shift in virtually every area of national strength. On the crudest GDP measure, the US has dramatically outgrown the European Union and the United Kingdom since 2008.
That’s because your idiot politicians decided on Austerity, which doesn’t work, and you have interlinked economies. Hurting the economy of Greece hurts literally every other economy in the EU, because when the Greeks are hurting, they can’t buy stuff the rest of you produce.
The entire Eurocrisis was a massive self own and you’re all poorer for it.
And by the way, the way that the political rhetoric was never checked really pissed me off. All the Northern European media kept talking about southern “overborrowing.”
As if you can have over-borrowing without over-lending.
The banks knew exactly what they were doing and they knew full well that the taxpayers would have no choice but to save them.
But since taxpayer bailouts were politically unpalatable, northern European countries had their banks balance their books after decades of over-lending on the backs of southern ones.
What’s distressing is that very few of your political parties are recognizing exactly what the pro-austerity parties did to Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain, and as a result, to every working person in Europe who is worse off today because of it.
The disunity in Europe today is a direct result of the conservative politicians in the frugal four selling out other countries in order to save the profit margins of their own misbehaving and over-lending bankers who created more private and state debt than the countries they are located in could possibly sustain.
The problems of Europe are being directly caused by conservatives putting the profits of the few over the needs of the many, and even over the unity and stability of the European Union, and unless their corrosive behavior is stopped, everything will get worse.
Because they don’t care if the GDP of Europe shrinks so long as *their* profits stay healthy.
It is pointless to negotiate with EU. If USA can bypass any EU political decision.
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UK doesn’t really participate to Europe as an actor for negotiation, they are an extension of the US.
Macron being weak on that file will harm his chances rather than help so that argument is also bad.
The real reason is that both Putin and Biden (and their respective lackeys with Lukachenka and Bojo) benefit from a cold war era narrative to boost their popularity, while in Europe bellicism isn’t very popular, and we’re more interested in economic perspectives and concerned with internal struggle.
In short, Europeans don’t really care about the crisis in Ukraine. If we did, we would already have done things.
A good summery of things so far. Don’t think there is much displeasure over the US talking over our heads in most of Europe.
We don’t want anything different from the Americans and we are not united around an alternative to how they are negotiating. To most governments an EU negotiation in place of the american one would be as far from their ideal negotiation as the american is. Thus there is no feeling of urgency in making such negotiations necessary for the Russians.
Those feelings would be different if the US negotiations were a shitshow, but they’re managing fine and their harder line is pleasant for those in the east and lets those elsewhere not be involved, which is how they like it.
The only ones currently displeased are the French and the Germans who want a say. Yet ironically, they themselves don’t share a vision.
>One can see this power shift in virtually every area of national strength. On the crudest GDP measure, the US has dramatically outgrown the European Union and the United Kingdom since 2008.
That’s because your idiot politicians decided on Austerity, which doesn’t work, and you have interlinked economies. Hurting the economy of Greece hurts literally every other economy in the EU, because when the Greeks are hurting, they can’t buy stuff the rest of you produce.
The entire Eurocrisis was a massive self own and you’re all poorer for it.
And by the way, the way that the political rhetoric was never checked really pissed me off. All the Northern European media kept talking about southern “overborrowing.”
As if you can have over-borrowing without over-lending.
The banks knew exactly what they were doing and they knew full well that the taxpayers would have no choice but to save them.
But since taxpayer bailouts were politically unpalatable, northern European countries had their banks balance their books after decades of over-lending on the backs of southern ones.
What’s distressing is that very few of your political parties are recognizing exactly what the pro-austerity parties did to Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain, and as a result, to every working person in Europe who is worse off today because of it.
The disunity in Europe today is a direct result of the conservative politicians in the frugal four selling out other countries in order to save the profit margins of their own misbehaving and over-lending bankers who created more private and state debt than the countries they are located in could possibly sustain.
The problems of Europe are being directly caused by conservatives putting the profits of the few over the needs of the many, and even over the unity and stability of the European Union, and unless their corrosive behavior is stopped, everything will get worse.
Because they don’t care if the GDP of Europe shrinks so long as *their* profits stay healthy.
It is pointless to negotiate with EU. If USA can bypass any EU political decision.