[Megathread] Referenda votes on 13.2.2022: Stamp Tax, Media Support, Tobacco Ads, Animal & Human Experiments

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1. – Obvious no (what an idiotic thing)
   – Undecided but probably no
   – Yes of course
   – Undecided but probably yes

2. 1. Obviously no. Stupid and illogical activist campaign that will get 20% support. I think you need better justification to destroy a multi billion chf industry responsible for saving millions of peoples lives than “the mice don’t like it 🥺”.
   2. No, only because while young people smoking in Switzerland is a problem, it is not caused by tobacco ads. I don’t even remember the last time I saw tobacco ads, so it just seems a bit pointless.
   3. Definitely yes, paying tax on capital raised is absurd. I’m pretty surprised this is the current law actually.
   4. Yes, why not. I don’t mind spending some tax on supporting local Swiss news.

3. I think that the tobacco ads initiative aimed too low – why not go after all smoking advertisment, and maybe add alcohol too?

   If a company advertised fake seatbelt buckles or meth pipes than everyone would support the ban of their adverts, why can’t we treat other society-harming stuff the same?

   Banning these ads also helps addicts, it’s much harder to stay sober if everywhere you go you see ads with guys drinking refreshing cold beer

4. * No, I like the idea but I think the current laws are perfectly fine but allow us to do animal testing if absolutely no other option is viable.
   * Yes, the law should go much further to be honest but it is a start. F*** ads in general trying to tell humans what they should and shouldn’t buy.
   * Huge no, companies couldn’t care less that they have to pay that tax and we should do the reverse anyway, tax companies more and ~~private~~ natural entities less.
   * Information is power, so yes

5. 1: Easy no
   2: Yes
   3: No, or with a reform to have an increase in other taxes
   4: No

6. 1) No, it doesnt harm our kmus or any business. 2) jäin, we should support local media, i voted yes, but in the end i understand that companies will benefit that shouldnt. So in the aftermath the package is stupid and i wont be sad if declined. 3) jes, stop that fucking tabacco shit! 4) even i am deepley pro animals, i just think that thourgh these experiments we benefit as a world society. So no

7. The Animal and Human Experiment Initiative is completly stupid. If we couldn’t use Animals or Humans to test our drugs we wouldn’t have them and people will die becaus of it.

8. Yes to forbidding tobacco commercial. I mean, smokers cost Switzerland 5 Billion every year, but they pay only 2 Million in taxes.

   Sorry, but I am not willing to pay 3 Billion extra for people to absolutely destroy their health and productivity. It’s time to put an end on this!

9. 1. Obvious **no** to ban on animal experiments.
   2. **Yes** to ban on tobacco ads, even though I can somewhat follow the argumentation of the no camp.
   3. **No** on getting rid of stamp duties since it only affects big companies and they already have loopholes.
   4. **No** to Mediengesetz because I don‘t think the state should support papers that barely have any readers + it isn‘t well-adapted to the current form of media consumption (digital) and instead subsidizes print that less and less people read.

10. * No to the animal and human experiment initiative, it is way too extreme.

    * I’m leaning towards a yes on the tobacco initiative. It bothers me that the no-camp doesn’t really expand on why internet ads are no problem while TV/Radio and Cinema are problematic. Do they think children are not on the internet? I’ve also yet to hear a good argument why minors should be exposed to smoking ads.

    * No to the Federal Act on Stamp Duties. It seems to me like the main benefactors would be a tiny handful of big companies. If you want to help startups and KMUs, then specifically target those. 250 Million less in the budget does not seem like a small sum that can just be waved away to me either.

    * I’m mostly torn about the media measures, leaning slightly towards a no. I personally consume pretty much no news from small local channels, so it wouldn’t directly affect me if they went extinct. If anything it would rid me of an annoyance, all the print media I receive usually goes straight to recycling.

    I guess good journalism is important, and since no one wants to pay for it it makes sense that they receive funds to stay afloat. On the other hand, the smaller the newspaper, the lower its impact on society, so why bother with those.

11. Not that I support the initiative in itself but I wonder why, even on a progressive platform like Reddit, people dismiss the animal testing ban like it is some bullshit idea.

    It is relevant to ask ourselves why as a society we treat animals like objects and why we firmly believe there’s a hierarchy between species and we are on top of it. Animals can suffer from experiments and they cannot volunteer for being part of those experiments. I am convinced some of them should be forbidden; we shouldn’t allow ourselves to implement tumours or cut organs on living animals.

    Now the issue with this initiative is that it goes straight to the point where we can’t do anything anymore with animals (like passive observation or very light harm) and it forbids human research where humans can obviously accept to be part of the experiment and should be allowed to make what they want with themselves. But the way the majority dismiss the initiative is worrying me… I guess it’s probably come too early, I doubt people in a few decades time will make fun of it anymore.

12. Am I the only one seeing these ads proposing a “No” to the “Mediengesetz” everywhere?

    They go like this:
    >”Keine Steuergelder an Medienmillionäre!!!”

    I’m wondering how much it costs to make so many ads.

13. 1. No
    2. Yes
    3. No
    4. No