For reference, if we compare 3.5 % with the UN 2015-2020 survey, it would plot fifth highest in the world. Beaten only three African states and Afghanistan. Of course, we won’t hit 3.5% over five year period, but it does show something about how big of a number it is.
“According to economist David Higgins, a 3.5 per cent increase in population in a given year would be one of the highest ever recorded for a single country.”
This is simply unsustainable levels of inward migration. Shocking numbers. The knock-on effects are evident. It’s high time we all have an open and honest, adult discussion about this issue. We’re a small island nation, our infrastructure and limited resources can’t support this dramatic increase in population over such a short space of time.
That’s mad
>That is a rise of 183,000 in a single year.
>It based these figures on a natural increase of 19,000 (births less deaths) and net migration of 77,600. It says that last year, 141,600 immigrants – predominantly Ukrainian refugees – entered the State and 64,000 left.
I know technically Ireland is not full but surely we don’t have capacity in terms of housing, education transport etc. to handle population rises like this. I know we need immigrants for our health service but surely the absorption of foreign workers isn’t matching the uplift in overall population growth.
Going to cause property and rents to rise again.
Sounds sustainable
Worth noting that isn’t a rate of increase that is expected to continue:
“AMECO is forecasting that the Irish population will continue to grow this year and next year but at a slower rate of 1.5 per cent and 1.1 per cent respectively”
So when people say that rate is unsustainable, there isn’t really an expectation that it will be sustained. It’s over double what’s forecasted going forward.
Presumably, as the article seems to suggest, this particular spike is a result of geopolitical events such as the war in Ukraine. It will be interesting to see how many of those who have arrived from Ukraine will actually end up staying here in the long term, or if this increase is (relatively) temporary.
Like generally gap immigration until we have housing infrastructure in place. Not saying forever but for a bit of time. As this is unsustainable rate to accommodate everyone arriving workers, asylum seekers and young ones like myself trying to buy a place.l paying outrageous prices. They cant build quick enough with the rate of people coming in and in turn house prices will continue to rocket.
Thank god this wasn’t published before the election as it might have played into the far rights hands.
The figures are all very confusing with CSO bizarrely doing April to April figures (is this an outdated policy from when our tax year was April to April?).
So these EU figures are Jan 2023-Dec 2023? Most of the Ukrainian migrants would have come in 2022, surely?
There isn’t any number given for critical skills visas, unless I missed it?
Nevertheless the vast majority of these numbers are probably UK/EU migrants. On the face of it, they are shockingly high but possibly a lot are temporary (particularly EU migrants + critical skills migrants).
Insanity. You would think we would be a bit quicker to deliver critical infrastructure.
All I see is lot of questionable objections and humming and hawing on getting stuff done.
We need schools, hospitals, prisons all of which are currently under capacity and houses. Fecking buckets of houses!
It will be messy if we enter a 2008 style financial crisis. Will be a disaster to manage.
Must had been a lot of riding. /s
So we can finally start admitting we have an immigration crisis now? We seriously need to start capping student/ work visas etc!
Very wise during a housing crisis so clever
3.5 is what, 150k? How many refugees and asylum seekers we’ve taken in? Self-inflicted.
And the capitalists are delighted with this, continued high rents/ house prices and plenty of cheap labour to keep wages low. People on the left that deny the immigration crisis are doing the capitalists bidding, they need to realise this and call out the immigration crisis
Do the climate targets update as the population grows?
My understanding is our objective is to return to year 2000 emissions?
We arw going to need two more children’s hospitals by the time the current one is built at this rate. Christ above the way this government runs this country is such a shitshow i dont understand why people keep coming here.
It’s still all the immigrants fault, right?
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Rain is good and makes things grow.
if you have too much rain is causes flooding.
If you have too little rain it causes draught.
If you think flooding is bad, someone will be along to tell you rain is good and makes things grow.
It’s entirely due to the one off influx of Ukrainians. This is extremely misleading without that context.
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For reference, if we compare 3.5 % with the UN 2015-2020 survey, it would plot fifth highest in the world. Beaten only three African states and Afghanistan. Of course, we won’t hit 3.5% over five year period, but it does show something about how big of a number it is.
“According to economist David Higgins, a 3.5 per cent increase in population in a given year would be one of the highest ever recorded for a single country.”
This is simply unsustainable levels of inward migration. Shocking numbers. The knock-on effects are evident. It’s high time we all have an open and honest, adult discussion about this issue. We’re a small island nation, our infrastructure and limited resources can’t support this dramatic increase in population over such a short space of time.
That’s mad
>That is a rise of 183,000 in a single year.
>It based these figures on a natural increase of 19,000 (births less deaths) and net migration of 77,600. It says that last year, 141,600 immigrants – predominantly Ukrainian refugees – entered the State and 64,000 left.
I know technically Ireland is not full but surely we don’t have capacity in terms of housing, education transport etc. to handle population rises like this. I know we need immigrants for our health service but surely the absorption of foreign workers isn’t matching the uplift in overall population growth.
Going to cause property and rents to rise again.
Sounds sustainable
Worth noting that isn’t a rate of increase that is expected to continue:
“AMECO is forecasting that the Irish population will continue to grow this year and next year but at a slower rate of 1.5 per cent and 1.1 per cent respectively”
So when people say that rate is unsustainable, there isn’t really an expectation that it will be sustained. It’s over double what’s forecasted going forward.
Presumably, as the article seems to suggest, this particular spike is a result of geopolitical events such as the war in Ukraine. It will be interesting to see how many of those who have arrived from Ukraine will actually end up staying here in the long term, or if this increase is (relatively) temporary.
Like generally gap immigration until we have housing infrastructure in place. Not saying forever but for a bit of time. As this is unsustainable rate to accommodate everyone arriving workers, asylum seekers and young ones like myself trying to buy a place.l paying outrageous prices. They cant build quick enough with the rate of people coming in and in turn house prices will continue to rocket.
Thank god this wasn’t published before the election as it might have played into the far rights hands.
The figures are all very confusing with CSO bizarrely doing April to April figures (is this an outdated policy from when our tax year was April to April?).
So these EU figures are Jan 2023-Dec 2023? Most of the Ukrainian migrants would have come in 2022, surely?
There isn’t any number given for critical skills visas, unless I missed it?
Nevertheless the vast majority of these numbers are probably UK/EU migrants. On the face of it, they are shockingly high but possibly a lot are temporary (particularly EU migrants + critical skills migrants).
Insanity. You would think we would be a bit quicker to deliver critical infrastructure.
All I see is lot of questionable objections and humming and hawing on getting stuff done.
We need schools, hospitals, prisons all of which are currently under capacity and houses. Fecking buckets of houses!
It will be messy if we enter a 2008 style financial crisis. Will be a disaster to manage.
Must had been a lot of riding. /s
So we can finally start admitting we have an immigration crisis now? We seriously need to start capping student/ work visas etc!
Very wise during a housing crisis so clever
3.5 is what, 150k? How many refugees and asylum seekers we’ve taken in? Self-inflicted.
And the capitalists are delighted with this, continued high rents/ house prices and plenty of cheap labour to keep wages low. People on the left that deny the immigration crisis are doing the capitalists bidding, they need to realise this and call out the immigration crisis
Do the climate targets update as the population grows?
My understanding is our objective is to return to year 2000 emissions?
We arw going to need two more children’s hospitals by the time the current one is built at this rate. Christ above the way this government runs this country is such a shitshow i dont understand why people keep coming here.
It’s still all the immigrants fault, right?
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Rain is good and makes things grow.
if you have too much rain is causes flooding.
If you have too little rain it causes draught.
If you think flooding is bad, someone will be along to tell you rain is good and makes things grow.
It’s entirely due to the one off influx of Ukrainians. This is extremely misleading without that context.
Immigration surely