Brits blame Brexit more than Covid for public services decline, study reveals

15 comments

1. I get that it’s important that we know what people’s perceptions are on a given subject, but I think it’s just as important we are given objective information about how well grounded that perception is in fact.

   I’ve no doubt that Brexit is a major factor, but it won’t be the only one. Also, apart from the direct economic impact of Brexit, how much impact was there from the way Brexit dominated our politics for so long that actually running our country effectively was sidelined.

2. Who’s blaming chronic underfunding, waste, poor HR and outsourcing?

3. Well Brexit did see alot of staff who had emigrated to work in the NHS leave it. But let’s not be stupid it’s the Tories running it into the ground so they can sell if off and turn us into America.

4. Most of us aren’t stupid. The idea we both did extremely well with covid and at the same time being the only economy that hasn’t recovered makes no sense. Just go on holiday and you can see the stupidity of it all. We are fed up being told all the problems are due to covid or Ukraine, and we can’t criticise the incredibly economic sanctions we inflicted on ourselves

5. Whichever one actually had more impact, Brexit was a deliberate choice that had known outcomes before we went and did it.

6. repost surely?

   the actual list

   >Policies implemented by the UK Government

   >Rising costs of providing services due to inflation

   >Poor management within public sector organisations

   >Lack of staff

   >The effect of Brexit

   >The impact of the Covid-19 pandemic

   >Increased demand due to population changes such as an aging population

   >The impact of immigration

   >Policies implemented by local councils

   well thats a lot less exciting than the headline isnt it.

   ps, theres something weird with my reddit, its a real oain to edit as the characters to the right as well as the left disapppear. so i cant be botheredd cleaning it up

   edit, ok, i did.

7. The trifecta of austerity, Brexit and COVID all happening under the Tories can make it harder to attribute anything to one cause.

8. Ah yes, I forgot one of the symptoms of Covids underfunding the NHS

9. Yes, Brexit. But most of all, Tories. Their vandalism of culture and infrastructure began long before Brexit. Brexit is just another way in which they expressed this.

   And anyone who thinks that the solution to their decade and a half of failure is voting for Reform is the nastiest kind of simpleton.

10. I blame the Tory’s ! And any other fecker who sold of our services to the highest bidder.

    In fact not even the highest bidder just to a mate.

    I’m so pissed off with this country I think I’m going to start my own…. With blackjack and hookers…. Forget the blackjack…. Ah forget the hookers.

11. Then Brits are idiots who need a one-size-fits-all demon to point at as the cause for all their problems.

    It’s not just Brexit or Covid, or poor government, or underfunding, or a bloated NHS with an optics focused management, or inflation, or myriad vested interests, or poor pay, or an aging population.

    It’s all of these things and more, but if you want one thing to point at, you only need look in the mirror. We keep voting for the same handful of parties, who outright refuse to make the difficult changes that are required to fix the system, because their goal isn’t the betterment of the country, it’s getting into office and staying there.

12. Both Covid and Brexit did a lot to harm this country.

    The difference is that one was a pandemic which we didn’t choose. Our politicians actually *chose* to pursue Brexit and the same fuckwits who told us that Brexit was a good idea are now asking to be re-elected.

    If there was some kind of choice between eradicating Covid and rejoining the EU, or if one party was arguing that we should stay out of the EU while the other was arguing that we should have more pandemics, it would make sense to argue about which of the two was “worse”.

    But that’s not a choice. Covid harmed us. Brexit harmed us. We should do what we can to protect ourselves from future pandemics and we should also rejoin the EU.

13. What frustrates me is I keep seeing people talking about backing the reform party. Which is run by the clown that created this mess, then bounced. Why is he still walking free?

14. I meannit will definitely play a role, but we shouldn’t forget the cuts and austerity.

15. Aye well it seems a bit fucking obvious that losing farming subsidies, and losing tariff free access for importing, would nearly fucking double the price of food. And to my tastes at least, it’s also obvious what we do have is now much lower quality.

    I’m sure not having as much cash around, or as many people to trade with, will have affected funding for the NHS a bit, but lets be honest here that it is being allowed to fail. It’s not Brexit, it’s that Brexit left a certain type of politician in place who doesn’t really care about us as much as they can raise in donations. Oh and another fucking surprise that both parties take cash from American Private Health and both want to privatise the NHS.

    It is too late now too. They’ve changed what corruption now means by getting rid of most of the oversight, and they’ve hammed up the failure with some rather extreme ideas (outside their base) to drive us all to Labour who are now prepared to be the placeholder government, beholden to all the most important donors and with any actual route out of our deprivation blocked already in preparation.

    Yes Brexit is to blame, but more than that it’s the people who voted for Brexit still stuck in the same echo chamber they were when they made that mistake. Illegal Immigrants are only an issue because the government writes immigration policy through consultation with businesses. People voted to block off a route for the immediately productive ones without finding another source for the labour they produced. That creates incentive for people to travel here, while the existing people who are already here can’t afford to take the lower paid jobs that only made sense as transitional employment for people from poorer eastern European countries. It is entirely down to being gullibly whipped into a fervour about it that created most of the problem. Same for knife crime really, with the redefinition of said crime creating the fear due to the sudden jump in cases, the fear creating the distrust, and the distrust causing the kids to arm themselves. I sometimes see people trashing the kids near them in comments sections of local news, and it’s always about how it used to be a nice area followed by them being absolutely vile about people who obviously live there and suggesting they’d be better fighting in wars, and denied free healthcare to ‘toughen them up’, or stop them being trans, or make them work from younger, or study specific things. If I was a 16 year old hearing that, knowing that university, a house, and a good job are a lot less likely for me than them, I’d want to stab people too. I’m thoroughly on their side as 40 year old office worker.

    The only reason Reform is now popping up is because there need to be two choices for next time, and someone is evidently worried the Tories have done too much damage this time around. They are as much to blame as anyone though really.

    I can’t go voting for anyone still pretending about Brexit, or more accurately pretending about the predictable outcomes afterwards, given the nature of the people chosen to be in charge during that time. Best to look at who the media aren’t mentioning much except in derision and vote for them. Every independent standing has better provenance just by standing as an independent, and the only people worth debating to vote for are the ones not invited to the TV debates.