As an American I am ashamed of my country to ever be considering a criminal and a traitor to be president
The sad part is it’s usually the Republicans that want to fund wars, the only reason some of them are against it now is because they drank too much of Trump’s kool-aid.
America can’t fight all the dictators alone. The thought that we could help defend our interest and help our allies without England, France, Germany and many others is ridiculous. But I will not vote for a man that thinks it’s okay to speak to his base and make comments about the ending support for Ukraine. Because this is reckless. I’m American and we tough as nails, smart, tech savvy and persistent
But the hell if we can contain Russsia, China, North Korea and Iran alone.
So basically other NATO countries are going to step up support for Ukraine if/when Trump wins in November, which I would point out is exactly what Trump has wanted from the start.
He’s been pretty clear about NATO members not pulling their own weight for decades, not having sufficient resources and stock piles to meet Ukraines immediate needs, and that the US carryies to much of the burden financially and logistically.
All this new “NATO plan” is about Europe being forced to step up more, which is what Trump has pressed for for years, along with literally every other President since the 1950’s.
trump and most of the republicans want authoritarian rule in America. Democracy and the rule of law are just in their way.
I am not voting for either one, this election selection is pitiful to say the least.
This is a huge priority because should Trump be elected in November, one of the first things Putin’s bosom bully will do is cut off aid to Ukraine. Of that you can be sure.
NATO needs to have a plan and back up plans to deal with Russia in the event that Trump wins, or if the United States decends into civil war in the coming months and years. The idea of a Second Civil War was once a wet dream of the far right , but the extreme polarisation now makes it a thing that whilst not the most likely outcome – is no longer a far fetched possibility either . Both sides of the political spectrum are utterly convinced that the other side winning is an existential threat to their very existence . For MAGA , it’s a deep state forcing a socialist agenda to take your guns and your freedom , for the left , it’s Project 2025 and a semi authoritarian presidency which will ban abortion and criminalise democrats. Both sides see the other side winning as a death knell for their country .
Even the Canadian government is wargaming potential civil war scenarios in the US and how it’ll impact Canada. No doubt other western governments are doing the same but keeping quiet about it.
Either way the rest of NATO has to urgently prepare for a possible world in the which the US is no longer at the front and centre of the world stage .
Bunch of dumb comments here.
Nuke Trump?
Nato better have a plan because if he wins he is definitely leaving nato can’t belive america is willing to burn all there military ties with there alies with China russia Iran all against them
If NATO’s plan is European countries start allocating their share of $$ to their defense budgets, I doubt there will be much problem. We here in the USA subsidized European defense for a long time, often with Europeans looking down their noses at the USA as a war mongering nation.
Meanwhile European’s got to spend on social programs, a further testament to how much more refined they are than us yokels here in the USA.
Yeah, but now those NATO countries really needs us, which is fine. I hope we can help out.
Who could crititcise an airstrike
Lmao what is wrong with you people?
I thought it was Russia before. Trump isn’t even in power.
Ukraine is just worried that America won’t be sucking them off if Biden gets ousted. Fund your own shit
Trump will not win
NATO plans are always the USA comes to the rescue. NATO being able to do anything without USA is a laughable concept. Europe is still not on war footing. Over 2 in years in. USA does not provide aid for several months and Europe cannot help. This has always been a Europe problem to fix. Germany and other countries sold their souls for cheap Russian gas to hide the idiotic decisions around climate change. Pay the Piper time.
Trump wants to restart the draft to have Americans fight alongside Russia.
Trump has no plan. He has no thoughts on things. He has no vision. He simply says what comes into his head. He contradicts himself constantly and changes positions like I change my underwear simply because he forgot his last position on any given topic. Applying any sort of logic or analyzing what he is saying is a fools errand.
I don’t believe Trump would actually pull out of NATO, i think he’s making empty threats to make other counties increase their contribution. I hope it’s a bluff anyway
This subreddit is such a far left, propaganda filled, echo chamber cesspool lmao.
Correct title: Trump is the greatest threat to Socialist World Order.
Republicans only want to start wars when it’s for selfish reasons, the second there is a righteous defensive war they run a mile and suck Russias teat.
The country that possesses the best “first strike“ potential is the one that calls the shots. Right now, the United States, China, and Russia are all trying to either develop weapons or position existing weapons in locations that would allow them to threaten their adversaries with a nuclear first strike. It’s game of existential chess that boils down to fractions of a second.
The closer the United States and NATO can position hypersonic missiles to take out the Russian silos and mobile launchers and control centers, the closer we get to achieving that objective.
Last I checked, the United States was pretty far away from Russia so we need our allies in a coalition that is united against Russian aggression.
Trump’s mind is a pinball machine of insecurity, ricochet and reaction. This poses a very strange problem for those of us who support Ukraine. Trump has no principles in the sense that is commonly understood. His MAGA-GOP would be utterly unrecognizable to Ike, or Sen Hugh Scott, or Reagan or GHW Bush. Trumpism cannot be measured against ideology because it is a cult. Trumpism is about the leader, and has nothing to do with policy.
Donald Trump registered Republican in 1987. Since then, he has changed his party affiliation six times: in 1999, to the Independence Party. In 2000, Reform Party. Aug 2001, Democrat. Sept 2009, Republican. Dec 2011, “no party affiliation”. Apr 2012, back to the GOP. It is just about Trump, his profound insecurity and monomania, and his need for praise and ‘strong men’ in his life. It is why he is a sucker for dictators.
Orwell nailed it: **•** “Just remember, what you’re seeing and reading is not what’s happening.” — Trump, Kansas City VFW Convention, July 24 2018
• “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” — George Orwell, ‘1984’
This is so absurd.
The only thing NATO countries need to worry about is meeting their spending obligations, and not in a fucking decade or two. They allowed Russia to do this while on their own doorstep, and then surprise surprise expect the US to fix it.
How much money and interference is Russia now directing at the US Presidential election. We can only guess but it will be substantial.
this is a good thing for all, the fact Europe allows others to handle their security after hundreds of years of exploiting the world is a joke. Step up and do your part.
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As an American I am ashamed of my country to ever be considering a criminal and a traitor to be president
The sad part is it’s usually the Republicans that want to fund wars, the only reason some of them are against it now is because they drank too much of Trump’s kool-aid.
America can’t fight all the dictators alone. The thought that we could help defend our interest and help our allies without England, France, Germany and many others is ridiculous. But I will not vote for a man that thinks it’s okay to speak to his base and make comments about the ending support for Ukraine. Because this is reckless. I’m American and we tough as nails, smart, tech savvy and persistent
But the hell if we can contain Russsia, China, North Korea and Iran alone.
So basically other NATO countries are going to step up support for Ukraine if/when Trump wins in November, which I would point out is exactly what Trump has wanted from the start.
He’s been pretty clear about NATO members not pulling their own weight for decades, not having sufficient resources and stock piles to meet Ukraines immediate needs, and that the US carryies to much of the burden financially and logistically.
All this new “NATO plan” is about Europe being forced to step up more, which is what Trump has pressed for for years, along with literally every other President since the 1950’s.
trump and most of the republicans want authoritarian rule in America. Democracy and the rule of law are just in their way.
I am not voting for either one, this election selection is pitiful to say the least.
This is a huge priority because should Trump be elected in November, one of the first things Putin’s bosom bully will do is cut off aid to Ukraine. Of that you can be sure.
NATO needs to have a plan and back up plans to deal with Russia in the event that Trump wins, or if the United States decends into civil war in the coming months and years. The idea of a Second Civil War was once a wet dream of the far right , but the extreme polarisation now makes it a thing that whilst not the most likely outcome – is no longer a far fetched possibility either . Both sides of the political spectrum are utterly convinced that the other side winning is an existential threat to their very existence . For MAGA , it’s a deep state forcing a socialist agenda to take your guns and your freedom , for the left , it’s Project 2025 and a semi authoritarian presidency which will ban abortion and criminalise democrats. Both sides see the other side winning as a death knell for their country .
Even the Canadian government is wargaming potential civil war scenarios in the US and how it’ll impact Canada. No doubt other western governments are doing the same but keeping quiet about it.
Either way the rest of NATO has to urgently prepare for a possible world in the which the US is no longer at the front and centre of the world stage .
Bunch of dumb comments here.
Nuke Trump?
Nato better have a plan because if he wins he is definitely leaving nato can’t belive america is willing to burn all there military ties with there alies with China russia Iran all against them
If NATO’s plan is European countries start allocating their share of $$ to their defense budgets, I doubt there will be much problem. We here in the USA subsidized European defense for a long time, often with Europeans looking down their noses at the USA as a war mongering nation.
Meanwhile European’s got to spend on social programs, a further testament to how much more refined they are than us yokels here in the USA.
Yeah, but now those NATO countries really needs us, which is fine. I hope we can help out.
Who could crititcise an airstrike
Lmao what is wrong with you people?
I thought it was Russia before. Trump isn’t even in power.
Ukraine is just worried that America won’t be sucking them off if Biden gets ousted. Fund your own shit
Trump will not win
NATO plans are always the USA comes to the rescue. NATO being able to do anything without USA is a laughable concept. Europe is still not on war footing. Over 2 in years in. USA does not provide aid for several months and Europe cannot help. This has always been a Europe problem to fix. Germany and other countries sold their souls for cheap Russian gas to hide the idiotic decisions around climate change. Pay the Piper time.
Trump wants to restart the draft to have Americans fight alongside Russia.
Trump has no plan. He has no thoughts on things. He has no vision. He simply says what comes into his head. He contradicts himself constantly and changes positions like I change my underwear simply because he forgot his last position on any given topic. Applying any sort of logic or analyzing what he is saying is a fools errand.
I don’t believe Trump would actually pull out of NATO, i think he’s making empty threats to make other counties increase their contribution. I hope it’s a bluff anyway
This subreddit is such a far left, propaganda filled, echo chamber cesspool lmao.
Correct title: Trump is the greatest threat to Socialist World Order.
Republicans only want to start wars when it’s for selfish reasons, the second there is a righteous defensive war they run a mile and suck Russias teat.
The country that possesses the best “first strike“ potential is the one that calls the shots. Right now, the United States, China, and Russia are all trying to either develop weapons or position existing weapons in locations that would allow them to threaten their adversaries with a nuclear first strike. It’s game of existential chess that boils down to fractions of a second.
The closer the United States and NATO can position hypersonic missiles to take out the Russian silos and mobile launchers and control centers, the closer we get to achieving that objective.
Last I checked, the United States was pretty far away from Russia so we need our allies in a coalition that is united against Russian aggression.
Trump’s mind is a pinball machine of insecurity, ricochet and reaction. This poses a very strange problem for those of us who support Ukraine. Trump has no principles in the sense that is commonly understood. His MAGA-GOP would be utterly unrecognizable to Ike, or Sen Hugh Scott, or Reagan or GHW Bush. Trumpism cannot be measured against ideology because it is a cult. Trumpism is about the leader, and has nothing to do with policy.
Donald Trump registered Republican in 1987. Since then, he has changed his party affiliation six times: in 1999, to the Independence Party. In 2000, Reform Party. Aug 2001, Democrat. Sept 2009, Republican. Dec 2011, “no party affiliation”. Apr 2012, back to the GOP. It is just about Trump, his profound insecurity and monomania, and his need for praise and ‘strong men’ in his life. It is why he is a sucker for dictators.
Orwell nailed it: **•** “Just remember, what you’re seeing and reading is not what’s happening.” — Trump, Kansas City VFW Convention, July 24 2018
• “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” — George Orwell, ‘1984’
This is so absurd.
The only thing NATO countries need to worry about is meeting their spending obligations, and not in a fucking decade or two. They allowed Russia to do this while on their own doorstep, and then surprise surprise expect the US to fix it.
How much money and interference is Russia now directing at the US Presidential election. We can only guess but it will be substantial.
this is a good thing for all, the fact Europe allows others to handle their security after hundreds of years of exploiting the world is a joke. Step up and do your part.