Luckily there’s Heaven waiting for those who praise the lord.. maybe.
Ask sky dad for help.
The thing that I can’t understand is if Muslims care for one another so much, how does something like this happen? Why are refugees that tend to be Muslim, turned away from countries like Saudi Arabia?
Funny how religions preach unity, yet we’re all so divided?
If pilgrimage is so popular and common, why not PilgrimTours Inc? By Bus or Camel, we will see you there and back. TM
If you read the article before commenting something callous and uncaring, most of the deaths are from impoverished Muslims who scrounged together what money they could to pay unscrupulous travel companies posing as legitimate ones. The 77 y/o mother in the article was dropped off 12km from Mount Arafat and didn’t even make it there.
Heartbreaking.
Edit: At -7 for showing a frankly bare minimum amount of empathy for a 77 y/o woman dying. I remember when I was young and thought myself so superior to religious people too. I forgive you.
Most of those Egyptians were unregistered pilgrims who didn’t pay for the official visa which is meant to control crowd numbers and better track visitors for safety. But if the host country really cared the Hajj visa could have been free or a token amount.
If you visit Saudi Arabia as a Muslim, you will see this racial discrimination in everyday life, like on the buses, the locals get to sit upfront and the foreigners will sit at the back.
If you read the article, her dream was to die and be buried where she ended up dying and being buried. I guess everyone wins? Religion man, not even once.
If you can’t financially afford it, don’t go. You aren’t even required to
Mecca population is 1.5m, and for 6 days nearly 2 million people arrive, that’s more than double the population
You won’t find accommodation as everything is booked, and same for transportation. you can only guarantee this with a permit as it comes with it
It’s sad that she called her sons and not the ambulance, maybe she was afraid of getting caught, 10 year blacklist on entering saudi is not worth your life
These are unregistered pilgrims. Saudi Arabia have been warning people of scammers and sneaky illegal ways to do the hajj. if Saudi allowed them and they stamped on to death they would blame Saudis for it. It’s funny how they are ok with lying about their documents to do the hajj and acting sneaky which is immoral just to do this.
Do these people not know what’s going on??? Who FAILED in their community authority to warn people about global warming and ask that they make the pilgrimmage another time???
Quite a lucrative racket the saudis have going. Pilgrim spend all their money then die. And the murdering prince gets richer.
No wiser or more cultured than a Thermomix party.
This broke my heart to read.
> Her heartbroken children take some solace in the fact that she was buried in Mecca.
> “She was hoping to die and be buried in the holy city,” Manal says.
> “Her dream came true.”
🤷🏼♂️
$6000 for getting baked. Cult like vibes. Oh wait…
How thoroughly *unchristian* of them.
Well, at least she goes to heaven? Good for her no?
even i think 1 death is 1 too many for a “pilgrimage” in modern times. but no apparently its a completely normal thing for 100s of people to die…. 🤷♂️ i guess if you want to meet your god. cant judge it bc i dont understand it.
very sad what people do for their religion. in this case, its to walk all the way to mecca just to go to a mosque and go around in circles to get your lucky chance to kiss a black stone bc some guy did a long time ago. crazy.
It really is absurd that Hajj as a tradition survived all the way to the 21st century. It certainly wasn’t tailored to accomodate millions of worshippers at the same time… in the middle of a rapidly heating Arabian desert, which isn’t an environment for millions of visitors to do anything, really.
One of the ways that the Caliphs of old were judged was by how well they facilitated the Hajj, with the best of them setting up an entire network of support infrastructure to ensure that people survived the journey. And yet here we are, in the 21st century, and *hundreds* of people are dying.
Why does this happen all the time?
It’s really sad she was alone and suffering. Can’t imagine how much that hurts her kids.
Is this the first were bulb incident? Asking for a friend
Me, an atheist looking out of my air conditioned balcony doors sipping tea wondering why those people are sitting around outside in the heat all day so they can meet the author of their favorite book after they die..
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Luckily there’s Heaven waiting for those who praise the lord.. maybe.
Ask sky dad for help.
The thing that I can’t understand is if Muslims care for one another so much, how does something like this happen? Why are refugees that tend to be Muslim, turned away from countries like Saudi Arabia?
Funny how religions preach unity, yet we’re all so divided?
If pilgrimage is so popular and common, why not PilgrimTours Inc? By Bus or Camel, we will see you there and back. TM
If you read the article before commenting something callous and uncaring, most of the deaths are from impoverished Muslims who scrounged together what money they could to pay unscrupulous travel companies posing as legitimate ones. The 77 y/o mother in the article was dropped off 12km from Mount Arafat and didn’t even make it there.
Heartbreaking.
Edit: At -7 for showing a frankly bare minimum amount of empathy for a 77 y/o woman dying. I remember when I was young and thought myself so superior to religious people too. I forgive you.
Most of those Egyptians were unregistered pilgrims who didn’t pay for the official visa which is meant to control crowd numbers and better track visitors for safety. But if the host country really cared the Hajj visa could have been free or a token amount.
If you visit Saudi Arabia as a Muslim, you will see this racial discrimination in everyday life, like on the buses, the locals get to sit upfront and the foreigners will sit at the back.
If you read the article, her dream was to die and be buried where she ended up dying and being buried. I guess everyone wins? Religion man, not even once.
If you can’t financially afford it, don’t go. You aren’t even required to
Mecca population is 1.5m, and for 6 days nearly 2 million people arrive, that’s more than double the population
You won’t find accommodation as everything is booked, and same for transportation. you can only guarantee this with a permit as it comes with it
It’s sad that she called her sons and not the ambulance, maybe she was afraid of getting caught, 10 year blacklist on entering saudi is not worth your life
These are unregistered pilgrims. Saudi Arabia have been warning people of scammers and sneaky illegal ways to do the hajj. if Saudi allowed them and they stamped on to death they would blame Saudis for it. It’s funny how they are ok with lying about their documents to do the hajj and acting sneaky which is immoral just to do this.
Do these people not know what’s going on??? Who FAILED in their community authority to warn people about global warming and ask that they make the pilgrimmage another time???
Quite a lucrative racket the saudis have going. Pilgrim spend all their money then die. And the murdering prince gets richer.
No wiser or more cultured than a Thermomix party.
This broke my heart to read.
> Her heartbroken children take some solace in the fact that she was buried in Mecca.
> “She was hoping to die and be buried in the holy city,” Manal says.
> “Her dream came true.”
🤷🏼♂️
$6000 for getting baked. Cult like vibes. Oh wait…
How thoroughly *unchristian* of them.
Well, at least she goes to heaven? Good for her no?
even i think 1 death is 1 too many for a “pilgrimage” in modern times. but no apparently its a completely normal thing for 100s of people to die…. 🤷♂️ i guess if you want to meet your god. cant judge it bc i dont understand it.
very sad what people do for their religion. in this case, its to walk all the way to mecca just to go to a mosque and go around in circles to get your lucky chance to kiss a black stone bc some guy did a long time ago. crazy.
It really is absurd that Hajj as a tradition survived all the way to the 21st century. It certainly wasn’t tailored to accomodate millions of worshippers at the same time… in the middle of a rapidly heating Arabian desert, which isn’t an environment for millions of visitors to do anything, really.
One of the ways that the Caliphs of old were judged was by how well they facilitated the Hajj, with the best of them setting up an entire network of support infrastructure to ensure that people survived the journey. And yet here we are, in the 21st century, and *hundreds* of people are dying.
Why does this happen all the time?
It’s really sad she was alone and suffering. Can’t imagine how much that hurts her kids.
Is this the first were bulb incident? Asking for a friend
Me, an atheist looking out of my air conditioned balcony doors sipping tea wondering why those people are sitting around outside in the heat all day so they can meet the author of their favorite book after they die..
That last paragraph is so heartbreaking…