why don’t they just privatise it? That’s what the rest of the country was forced to put up with decades ago.
That’s one way to get everybody to use their cars and pay the congestion zone fee
Time for tube drivers to wake up to reality and take a big cut – they’re paid as much as GPs for sitting around pushing a couple of buttons, it’s time for the tube to be automated like the DLR is (so many
other countries have their entire network automated).
The tube is an amazing system and it served me pretty well for many years, but it’s damn expensive and badly managed.
Also, I can’g get my head around salaries of drivers. A junior airline pilot doesn’t make that amount…
Can people stop blaming the drivers who have done the smart thing and unionised and got themselves good pay and conditions? (Something that should be encouraged).
The government should just give the money to TFL – WFH and less tourism means less people using the network, and it’ll take time for usage to increase again.
TFL is reliant on fees and it isn’t their fault that this has dropped significantly.
Random shout for the use of the full number in the headline.
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When folks want to minimise a number, even a huge number, they shorten it. You’ll see papers writing about the £9bn the Tories burned on faulty PPE gear, but you’ll only see it written out with all the zeroes unless somebody is *really* trying to drive home the point.
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So with this example, we don’t see a ‘£1.5bn’ deficit in the budget, we see all the zeroes because Labour = bad. Also we don’t see ‘£9,000,000,000’ written off by the government on faulty PPE because we all know Boris and the brave lads in government are trying their best.
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Slight tangent from the point of the thread but this kind of editorial shithousery amuses me.
Why is anyone expecting the tube to make money? Do they expect the roads to make money?
Sadiq can purposefully drives TFL into a brick wall.
Also Sadiq: “*Look at this mess someone else clean it up*”
We need to level up transport outside of london … why don’t we just level down london and call it a success!?
Public transport of all types is an essential service. Buses, trains, trams are all key to reducing emissions and doing better for our planet.
It should not matter how much they cost to run, as ultimately they are a necessity to society.
Tories withhold money, then giggle while pointing fingers at the mayors and councils. Then the public service workers suffer or unionise and strike, then the Torie media point the fingers at the the workers and the public suffer…
Good times. Meanwhile the Tories get rich and everyone not to blame is blamed and the public are fucked.
Also terrible headline, makes it sound like he plans to shut the lines when he feels like it. Instead it’s we have no money to fix anything, and when it breaks, it will break bad and then the line will be closed for days.
The money isn’t burned, it’s paid as wages then immediately invested back into the country as taxes, NI, spending on essentials, etc. Anything else is paid to providers that the government taxes in various ways and recoups their money from that too.
Economies are a bit more complex than a number.
And Mr Gove talking about levelling up today wants all part of the nation to have a public transport system comparable to London
Idk why loads of people saying tube drivers get paid too much etc, when you can guarantee there’s going to be many many layers of superfluous management grades that don’t really do anything of value or are not critical to providing the service.
“Oh but the nurses/firemen/airline pilots and every other job in the world gets paid £2 an hour” and? Not the same job, not the same pay or conditions. I’m so so sick of people shitting on train/tube drivers and our pay/conditions. I don’t presume to speculate on other professions and their employment details why does everyone feel the need to do it to mine?
Tories deliberately starving TFL of funds to undermine Khan. That’s all
I think we’ve been here before. Didn’t Ken Livingstone have a similar stand off with a Tory government?
This headline is a misnomer. A whole line won’t shut down, it’ll be the EQUIVALENT of a line, with a reduction in service. 10% fewer trains over 11 lines is effectively the same as a whole line. Passengers won’t really notice a different.
Passenger numbers are currently at 47% pre pandemic levels, TfL gets 75% of its funding from ticket sales. The maths isn’t hard to do. It’s the only major city transport system that isn’t funding by their respective government.
I also don’t think it’s any surprise, the audit the DfT carried out was so seriously redacted, so much so that even the commissioner hasn’t read the full report.
Could this be because the person who ordered it was the mayor of London before, and spunked so much money on shit, that he put the company £500 million in the black and Sadiq actually levelled the finances out and had started to regain control? Add to the £700 million a year grant George Osborne and the then mayor Boris Johnson, got taken away, Khan actually started £1.2 billion behind any other mayor.
Train drivers and station staff have worked throughout the entire pandemic, putting themselves and their family’s health and well-being at risk. Why? Because, believe it or not, they actually want to provide a decent service for the general public.
They were considered “heroes” and “essential workers” in the middle of the shit, but now they’re being fucked over by the government and the company by proxy.
The tory media make the staff the enemy, for no other reason than they know it’ll cause anger amongst the general public because their already seen as “over paid” and “lazy”, when in reality, they’re anything but. As has been proven the last 2 years.
Source: I’m an overpaid and lazy tube driver.
Edit: please don’t forget all the caveats Sadiq is being forced to introduce which each additional bailout. Would it be the same for a tory mayor? Unlikely. But they need to make him look shit, so voters get in a tory so they can really fuck over the poorer Londoners.
Oh, and don’t forget that once TfL directors have successfully saved £370 million, they’ll share a nice £16 million bonus between them. The same directors that have been working from home for two years, whilst the front line staff literally get fuck all extra, and in reality, a whole lot less.
Cue the shoulder chippers angry that other people had nice things and happy that now they won’t.
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why don’t they just privatise it? That’s what the rest of the country was forced to put up with decades ago.
That’s one way to get everybody to use their cars and pay the congestion zone fee
Time for tube drivers to wake up to reality and take a big cut – they’re paid as much as GPs for sitting around pushing a couple of buttons, it’s time for the tube to be automated like the DLR is (so many
other countries have their entire network automated).
The tube is an amazing system and it served me pretty well for many years, but it’s damn expensive and badly managed.
Also, I can’g get my head around salaries of drivers. A junior airline pilot doesn’t make that amount…
Can people stop blaming the drivers who have done the smart thing and unionised and got themselves good pay and conditions? (Something that should be encouraged).
The government should just give the money to TFL – WFH and less tourism means less people using the network, and it’ll take time for usage to increase again.
TFL is reliant on fees and it isn’t their fault that this has dropped significantly.
Random shout for the use of the full number in the headline.
​
When folks want to minimise a number, even a huge number, they shorten it. You’ll see papers writing about the £9bn the Tories burned on faulty PPE gear, but you’ll only see it written out with all the zeroes unless somebody is *really* trying to drive home the point.
​
So with this example, we don’t see a ‘£1.5bn’ deficit in the budget, we see all the zeroes because Labour = bad. Also we don’t see ‘£9,000,000,000’ written off by the government on faulty PPE because we all know Boris and the brave lads in government are trying their best.
​
Slight tangent from the point of the thread but this kind of editorial shithousery amuses me.
Why is anyone expecting the tube to make money? Do they expect the roads to make money?
Sadiq can purposefully drives TFL into a brick wall.
Also Sadiq: “*Look at this mess someone else clean it up*”
We need to level up transport outside of london … why don’t we just level down london and call it a success!?
Public transport of all types is an essential service. Buses, trains, trams are all key to reducing emissions and doing better for our planet.
It should not matter how much they cost to run, as ultimately they are a necessity to society.
Tories withhold money, then giggle while pointing fingers at the mayors and councils. Then the public service workers suffer or unionise and strike, then the Torie media point the fingers at the the workers and the public suffer…
Good times. Meanwhile the Tories get rich and everyone not to blame is blamed and the public are fucked.
Also terrible headline, makes it sound like he plans to shut the lines when he feels like it. Instead it’s we have no money to fix anything, and when it breaks, it will break bad and then the line will be closed for days.
The money isn’t burned, it’s paid as wages then immediately invested back into the country as taxes, NI, spending on essentials, etc. Anything else is paid to providers that the government taxes in various ways and recoups their money from that too.
Economies are a bit more complex than a number.
And Mr Gove talking about levelling up today wants all part of the nation to have a public transport system comparable to London
Idk why loads of people saying tube drivers get paid too much etc, when you can guarantee there’s going to be many many layers of superfluous management grades that don’t really do anything of value or are not critical to providing the service.
“Oh but the nurses/firemen/airline pilots and every other job in the world gets paid £2 an hour” and? Not the same job, not the same pay or conditions. I’m so so sick of people shitting on train/tube drivers and our pay/conditions. I don’t presume to speculate on other professions and their employment details why does everyone feel the need to do it to mine?
Tories deliberately starving TFL of funds to undermine Khan. That’s all
I think we’ve been here before. Didn’t Ken Livingstone have a similar stand off with a Tory government?
This headline is a misnomer. A whole line won’t shut down, it’ll be the EQUIVALENT of a line, with a reduction in service. 10% fewer trains over 11 lines is effectively the same as a whole line. Passengers won’t really notice a different.
Passenger numbers are currently at 47% pre pandemic levels, TfL gets 75% of its funding from ticket sales. The maths isn’t hard to do. It’s the only major city transport system that isn’t funding by their respective government.
I also don’t think it’s any surprise, the audit the DfT carried out was so seriously redacted, so much so that even the commissioner hasn’t read the full report.
Could this be because the person who ordered it was the mayor of London before, and spunked so much money on shit, that he put the company £500 million in the black and Sadiq actually levelled the finances out and had started to regain control? Add to the £700 million a year grant George Osborne and the then mayor Boris Johnson, got taken away, Khan actually started £1.2 billion behind any other mayor.
Train drivers and station staff have worked throughout the entire pandemic, putting themselves and their family’s health and well-being at risk. Why? Because, believe it or not, they actually want to provide a decent service for the general public.
They were considered “heroes” and “essential workers” in the middle of the shit, but now they’re being fucked over by the government and the company by proxy.
The tory media make the staff the enemy, for no other reason than they know it’ll cause anger amongst the general public because their already seen as “over paid” and “lazy”, when in reality, they’re anything but. As has been proven the last 2 years.
Source: I’m an overpaid and lazy tube driver.
Edit: please don’t forget all the caveats Sadiq is being forced to introduce which each additional bailout. Would it be the same for a tory mayor? Unlikely. But they need to make him look shit, so voters get in a tory so they can really fuck over the poorer Londoners.
Oh, and don’t forget that once TfL directors have successfully saved £370 million, they’ll share a nice £16 million bonus between them. The same directors that have been working from home for two years, whilst the front line staff literally get fuck all extra, and in reality, a whole lot less.
Cue the shoulder chippers angry that other people had nice things and happy that now they won’t.