USA argumentieren, anhaltendes israelisches Militärengagement in Gaza „schwächt Israel“

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1. What are the US proposing then? Israel has withdrawn from Gaza before and nothing good resulted.

   I don’t think some people appreciate that for Netanyahu there is seemingly absolutely no version of this where Hamas will return to control Gaza. So unless someone can propose a mechanism via which that is enforced that does not involve Israel having military there then that stance won’t change.

2. I mean in all sense of the word it does, because it means less troops available to defend the northern border from Hezbollah, but otherwise nah. Destroying Hamas is necessary for a stronger safer Israel 

3. Well then the terrorists need to start surrendering along with returning the hostages

4. Remember when the US and the entire world told Israel to not go into Rafah? Basically threten them no to.. yet Israel went in and got back 5 hostages alive and multiple Israelies bodies. Eliminated tons of terrorist, rockets, tunnels, discovered tunnels that went into Egypt, and what not.

   The US wants Israel to lose the war by giving Hamas to set the terms, remain in power, and stall hostages deals that would take years to complete.

   The US doesnt even care about US citizens that Hamas took and killed.. the democrats took the US down the rabbit hole to the point that nobody even count them as anything. Just look at China, Russia, NK, Yemen, Hamas, Hezbollah.. none of them even take the US in count..

5. And Israel would like to have a word with you about their god given right to Canaan. Did the US already forget that Goliath was a philistine? Aka a palestinian??

6. Israel should listen. The US knows all too well about foreign intervention/nation building without a real goal

7. If there’s no alternative to Hamas, then nothing will be achieved by Israel. At least nothing positive bad the cycle continues.

8. I bet it weakens Hamas more

9. Didn’t Mike Milley tell Congress that Kyiv will fall in 72 hours if Russia invades Ukraine? I have no idea how US can still lecture anyone with a straight face on long-term strategic military topics at this point.

   The only real talk here is the financial aspect. Before 2005 keeping the Gaza settlements secure with all the troops sitting there to protect them was getting crazy expensive. The watermelons and peonies they grew in Gush Katif cost their weight in gold. So the decision was to cut the losses and separate unilaterally. Which was a great idea, until Gaza decided to follow Israel home. Now they gotta spend the money again, and mow the loan in Gaza for a while, so back home in Tel Aviv people can have a normal life.

10. The evidence points to this being true. After 9 months of war the IDF has managed to destroy maybe 70%+ of Gaza and that’s perhaps a conservative estimate given the remaining 30% probably lacks habitability amongst the rubble. It has also managed to create a population of 2m that are entirely dependent on both Israel and it’s international partners for survival. Meanwhile Hamas….while perhaps weaker from an immediate-threat standpoint, is probably stronger from a socio-political and future-threat standpoint than it was before the war.

    Hamas still maintains control over wide parts of Gaza, it’s leadership is largely secure abroad, it has half the globe, including Israel’s strongest partner, pushing for a cease-fire, and doing what 10 Years of Israeli air-strikes in Syria targeting Hezbollah and Iran, and multiple efforts by Hamas to try to force Hezbollah/Iranian action back in October couldn’t manage to do – finally elicit a wider conflict. At least on this the current government, IDF, and Hamas all seem aligned.

    The problem really is, what’s the way out of this mess? It seems unlikely that tensions with Hezbollah will calm, there is no real way to win “hearts and minds”, and little appetite on the Israeli side to do so – with messaging out of the current government growing more extreme. The US government is perhaps at its weakest point internationally from a conflict resolution standpoint, and the upcoming elections in the US potentially reshaping both this conflict, Israeli-US relations, Russia-US relations, broader US-Middle east relations, and the overall appetite for engaging Iran.

    Without a radical shift the future (at least from a conflict-resolution standpoint) seems a bit bleak.

11. Sadly this is true

    This half measure fighting is pointless.

    Israel needs to go hard. Gain control of every settlement, perform filtering on entire population, install military/civilians government . Start rebuilding old towns and villages for Israeli citizens.

    If that’s not in the cards? Leave

12. No other country but Israel would be asked to just return to sitting back and taking rocket attacks.

    If the rest of the world actually gave a damn they would send in a international group to both rebuild and reign in the extremism.  But they won’t, they’ll just complain that Isreal is both managing it wrong and that they won’t just sit back and take continuous attacks.

13. Maybe, but nations have a right to defend themselves against attackers. The attacks have not stopped, so neither should the Israeli response.

14. When you spend 20 years in Afghanistan and lose. Stfu. When Was the last time the Americans actually won a war? Ww2? When they came in late? Again? Lol america

15. Weaker because they’ll be stretched thin due to Hez and Iran

16. TLDR

    US: “Please, please stop and listen to us.”

    Israel: “No.”

17. If Israel wants to war with her neighbors, then so be it but it must be without American treasure.

18. “If you kill [Villain Name], you’ll be no different from him!”

19. Israël isn’t leading this war to become stronger it’s doing it to destroy Hamas