People were groomed to hate him for certain, but of course it doesn’t mean everyone is brainwashed.
What it does show is just how far the Western political establishment were willing to go to protect the economic status quo though. And it wasn’t limited to the UK..
The director of the CIA said: “It could be that Mr Corbyn manages to run the gantlet and get elected. It’s possible. You should know, we won’t wait for him to do those things to begin to push back. We will do our level best [to stop him gaining power]
It was a large scale, organised campaign against a working class driven economic platform that included actors within the right-wing of the Labour party.
That said, there still needs to be some deep self reflection from those who benefit from Corbyn-style Nordic policy in how they’re going to bridge the gap between the manual-labour style working classes who lose out from immigration and the service sector and call-centre type workers who are less vulnerable.
Neoliberals have made immigration a moral argument (because they profit from cheap labour) that’s used as such an easy wedge issue to keep working class people divided. Like with antisemitism in Labour, those who challenge the economic status quo are branded as racists – it’s incredibly emotive. Brexit shouldn’t have been such a wedge issue between working class people, yet it was made into a titan.
Yep, I was called called a communist for saying I supported corbyn, people were extremely quick to tell me he was a Russian agent.
Same people either defend boris and the piss patrol for doing as they please in lockdown or say all MPs are the same.
bit sad really
Groomed is perhaps a bit of a strong word. But it can’t be denied he was subject to smear campaign for nearly everything he did (some may argue that he didn’t exactly make things easier for himself) and quite a lot of things he never actually did.
All of which probably led to him losing his position.
None of the party leaders get a free pass, other than the Tory one.
I remember Caroline Lucas and her ‘brain fade’ moment going on for months.
Then there was Jo Swinson being humiliated for stating her ambition for there to be a Lib Dem PM.
Nicola Sturgeon is constantly being attacked from all sides, both Tory and Labour.
Labout naturally gets it worst as the leading opposition party
Sad fact is that a lot of British people vote for the person, not the policies. The media painted Jeremy Corbyn as a dangerous man, and to be fair, he was, to the well-off, that’s why the media fucking destroyed him, and it was just too easy for them because he does have a bit of an, let’s say, interesting background, especially to the airheads who immediately start frothing out of the mouth when they hear the words ”IRA” or ”communist”.
If you went to former red wall constituencies and asked working-class people why they didn’t vote for Labour in that election, I’d be surprised if even 10% of them said it was because of the policies, and those that mention policies wouldn’t be able to discuss any of them in detail, probably wouldn’t even be able to tell you a specific one, they’ll have just heard some Conservative politician being interviewed on TV say that it was batshit and unaffordable.
If I was a left-wing Labour voter I’d only ever vote for the party again if they had proportional representation in the manifesto.
The whole Anti Semitic thing was bullshit but the media etc are so in bed with, or scared by, Israel, they just went along perpetuating it. I think 90% of people support Palestine and are against Israeli policies but don’t hate Jews.
Until the far left internalise the fact that Jeremy Corbyn was deeply unpopular due to the things he said and did, and not because of the media, they’ll never learn how to win an election.
Ahhh, the power with such ease of social engineering. People should be taught to recognise things like that in school, along with the apparently severely lacking critical thinking skills
I didn’t hate Corbyn. Seemed like a genuinely nice guy. But he just reminded me of a pleasant gentleman you’d find nursing a pint in the local pub on a Tuesday night rather than a PM!
Bbb Bbb uuhhh the mainstream media tells me the truth!!
Almost as if all the media in this country is run by rabid right wing supporters
This sub just can’t accept that people don’t like him.
Well yeah but I’ve been an open supporter of Jeremy so I’m the wrong guy to speak to
💯 a lot of people irl have put down Corbyn to me and made him seem like a bad guy, yet all evidence I’ve ever seen points to him being one of the only politicions who seems trustworthy in the my life
Nadia Whittome is on that list too (Nottingham MP) and to a lesser degree, Bernie. & thats pretty much it
That’s why the country gets the leaders it deserves. If so many people are unable to think for themselves, to be unable to judge someone’s character from past actions then we do deserve a cunt like Johnson.
I had this discussion many times with “centrists” who wouldn’t vote for Corbyns’ Labour, because IRA or Palestinians or whatever bullshit was currently doing the rounds.
I simply maintain that Corbyn wasn’t perfect, but he always fought for the underdog, he would have taken the job seriously and voting for tub thumping patriots leads to fiascos like Iraq and Afghanistan. It was pointless. Bojo is a character, Bojo is a laugh, Bojo understands John Bull, in Bojo we trust.
Fuck em. I console myself with the fact that none of it matters anymore anyway, in 20 years all this bullshit will be over because of overconsumption and ecological decline.
I believe this. The way the main stream media and narrative vilified this man was disgusting and Britain is all the worse for it.
TL;DR: the murdoch media empire needs to be eliminated, and the family’s assets seized to stabilise the country from such weaponised f hate
I mean, he did say “Our friends in Hamas, our friends in Hezbollah”, if anyone refers to these groups as their friends then they certainly won’t be someone I want to be in charge of anything.
Edit: So, a few downvotes but no-one refuting what I said. Excellent, my views of people who support this man and his politics have been renewed.
People didn’t hate Corbyn, they just saw him for what he was. A fringe politician stuck in the 70’s and 80’s who was inexplicably thrown into frontline politics. Undoubtedly some of his policies were popular, and 2017 proved this. But it was always the overall package, and sceptism about certain elements creeping into the party, which only worsened between 2017-2019 and increasingly turned the press and the public against him. All of Johnson’s flaws were equally plastered across the papers and social media, to the point that he went into hiding in the 2019 Campaign and no-one can express surprise at his current predicaments. I would say we had a good measure of both men. But it was Corbyn who seemed unfit for office (which is saying something), and I’m sure many voted Labour in-spite of him not because of him by 2019.
i love that Corbyn is still somehow seen as the solution, “if only he’d been given a fair chance”
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No, the British people mostly don’t want a socialist throwback who very obviously despises half what this country is. He had his time in the sun and guess what? He blew it. Corbyn in Opposition helped lead us where we are.
When you can’t discredit policy’s you discredit the person british media do it all the time
Well, sure. Anyone with half a brain knew that was the case at the time, but who is this chap?
I mean, in between being a Czech spy, an anti-semite, an IRA member, and a Trotskyite, I’m not sure where he found the time to be the leader of the largest political party in Europe, and you’d like to have thought that most of the country would have realised it was all a load of bollocks, but no.
Sadly, the education system was underfunded to the point where brain dead drones were pushed in the populace and people couldn’t think for themselves, so voted tory; as their beloved S*n told them to.
Sorry, what am I missing here? I quite like Sam’s music but why should I care about his politics?
Come on. I’m a long term Labour Party member and he left a bad taste in my mouth from the word go. He reminded me of a particular type of leftist man I’ve known my whole life. And I’m not the only one. And I know I’ll get downvoted for this, which is exactly the problem. Certain people in the Party, new members in particular, just cannot face the fact that others might simply disagree.
It’s actually baffling what people believe and listen to these days. I remember seeing a picture on Facebook of Corbyn in parliament wearing a poppy and someone had clearly photoshopped the words “We should forget” onto his poppy badge
Yet somehow the post had over a million likes, comments and shares. People raging in the comments, the usual bollocks. I came off Facebook shortly afterwards because it’s all fake news and idiots and they believe everything
Just use your common sense, no one is wearing a badge like that in parliament ffs
Most of what the media used against Corbyn was his own doing, it was what he said and had done.
Not saying there was no bullshit, but Corbyn isn’t free of criticism as much as his supporters believe. There were A LOT of reasons to dislike Corbyn.
Can’t disagree with that, the Tory media very obviously did their duty.
There is no need to go out looking for conspiracy theories. There is a simpler explanation, and Occam’s Razor probably applies.
Many people in this country have fairly central views. That is no coincidence, it is the result 100 years of democracy with both sides aiming to win enough votes to form a majority. The dividing line between the two parties will naturally fall somewhere roughly in the middle.
Corbyn was just a bit too left wing. For a proportion of people with fairly central views, it was a step too far and they voted Tory instead. Simple as that.
It isn’t as if nobody voted for him. 32% of the electorate voted for him, whereas 43% voted Tory. It isn’t like everybody hated him, just that 10% of the electorate decided, on balance, that they marginally preferred what the Tories were offering.
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People were groomed to hate him for certain, but of course it doesn’t mean everyone is brainwashed.
What it does show is just how far the Western political establishment were willing to go to protect the economic status quo though. And it wasn’t limited to the UK..
The director of the CIA said: “It could be that Mr Corbyn manages to run the gantlet and get elected. It’s possible. You should know, we won’t wait for him to do those things to begin to push back. We will do our level best [to stop him gaining power]
It was a large scale, organised campaign against a working class driven economic platform that included actors within the right-wing of the Labour party.
That said, there still needs to be some deep self reflection from those who benefit from Corbyn-style Nordic policy in how they’re going to bridge the gap between the manual-labour style working classes who lose out from immigration and the service sector and call-centre type workers who are less vulnerable.
Neoliberals have made immigration a moral argument (because they profit from cheap labour) that’s used as such an easy wedge issue to keep working class people divided. Like with antisemitism in Labour, those who challenge the economic status quo are branded as racists – it’s incredibly emotive. Brexit shouldn’t have been such a wedge issue between working class people, yet it was made into a titan.
Yep, I was called called a communist for saying I supported corbyn, people were extremely quick to tell me he was a Russian agent.
Same people either defend boris and the piss patrol for doing as they please in lockdown or say all MPs are the same.
bit sad really
Groomed is perhaps a bit of a strong word. But it can’t be denied he was subject to smear campaign for nearly everything he did (some may argue that he didn’t exactly make things easier for himself) and quite a lot of things he never actually did.
All of which probably led to him losing his position.
None of the party leaders get a free pass, other than the Tory one.
I remember Caroline Lucas and her ‘brain fade’ moment going on for months.
Then there was Jo Swinson being humiliated for stating her ambition for there to be a Lib Dem PM.
Nicola Sturgeon is constantly being attacked from all sides, both Tory and Labour.
Labout naturally gets it worst as the leading opposition party
Sad fact is that a lot of British people vote for the person, not the policies. The media painted Jeremy Corbyn as a dangerous man, and to be fair, he was, to the well-off, that’s why the media fucking destroyed him, and it was just too easy for them because he does have a bit of an, let’s say, interesting background, especially to the airheads who immediately start frothing out of the mouth when they hear the words ”IRA” or ”communist”.
If you went to former red wall constituencies and asked working-class people why they didn’t vote for Labour in that election, I’d be surprised if even 10% of them said it was because of the policies, and those that mention policies wouldn’t be able to discuss any of them in detail, probably wouldn’t even be able to tell you a specific one, they’ll have just heard some Conservative politician being interviewed on TV say that it was batshit and unaffordable.
If I was a left-wing Labour voter I’d only ever vote for the party again if they had proportional representation in the manifesto.
The whole Anti Semitic thing was bullshit but the media etc are so in bed with, or scared by, Israel, they just went along perpetuating it. I think 90% of people support Palestine and are against Israeli policies but don’t hate Jews.
Until the far left internalise the fact that Jeremy Corbyn was deeply unpopular due to the things he said and did, and not because of the media, they’ll never learn how to win an election.
Ahhh, the power with such ease of social engineering. People should be taught to recognise things like that in school, along with the apparently severely lacking critical thinking skills
I didn’t hate Corbyn. Seemed like a genuinely nice guy. But he just reminded me of a pleasant gentleman you’d find nursing a pint in the local pub on a Tuesday night rather than a PM!
Bbb Bbb uuhhh the mainstream media tells me the truth!!
Almost as if all the media in this country is run by rabid right wing supporters
This sub just can’t accept that people don’t like him.
Well yeah but I’ve been an open supporter of Jeremy so I’m the wrong guy to speak to
💯 a lot of people irl have put down Corbyn to me and made him seem like a bad guy, yet all evidence I’ve ever seen points to him being one of the only politicions who seems trustworthy in the my life
Nadia Whittome is on that list too (Nottingham MP) and to a lesser degree, Bernie. & thats pretty much it
That’s why the country gets the leaders it deserves. If so many people are unable to think for themselves, to be unable to judge someone’s character from past actions then we do deserve a cunt like Johnson.
I had this discussion many times with “centrists” who wouldn’t vote for Corbyns’ Labour, because IRA or Palestinians or whatever bullshit was currently doing the rounds.
I simply maintain that Corbyn wasn’t perfect, but he always fought for the underdog, he would have taken the job seriously and voting for tub thumping patriots leads to fiascos like Iraq and Afghanistan. It was pointless. Bojo is a character, Bojo is a laugh, Bojo understands John Bull, in Bojo we trust.
Fuck em. I console myself with the fact that none of it matters anymore anyway, in 20 years all this bullshit will be over because of overconsumption and ecological decline.
I believe this. The way the main stream media and narrative vilified this man was disgusting and Britain is all the worse for it.
TL;DR: the murdoch media empire needs to be eliminated, and the family’s assets seized to stabilise the country from such weaponised f hate
I mean, he did say “Our friends in Hamas, our friends in Hezbollah”, if anyone refers to these groups as their friends then they certainly won’t be someone I want to be in charge of anything.
Edit: So, a few downvotes but no-one refuting what I said. Excellent, my views of people who support this man and his politics have been renewed.
People didn’t hate Corbyn, they just saw him for what he was. A fringe politician stuck in the 70’s and 80’s who was inexplicably thrown into frontline politics. Undoubtedly some of his policies were popular, and 2017 proved this. But it was always the overall package, and sceptism about certain elements creeping into the party, which only worsened between 2017-2019 and increasingly turned the press and the public against him. All of Johnson’s flaws were equally plastered across the papers and social media, to the point that he went into hiding in the 2019 Campaign and no-one can express surprise at his current predicaments. I would say we had a good measure of both men. But it was Corbyn who seemed unfit for office (which is saying something), and I’m sure many voted Labour in-spite of him not because of him by 2019.
i love that Corbyn is still somehow seen as the solution, “if only he’d been given a fair chance”
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No, the British people mostly don’t want a socialist throwback who very obviously despises half what this country is. He had his time in the sun and guess what? He blew it. Corbyn in Opposition helped lead us where we are.
When you can’t discredit policy’s you discredit the person british media do it all the time
Well, sure. Anyone with half a brain knew that was the case at the time, but who is this chap?
I mean, in between being a Czech spy, an anti-semite, an IRA member, and a Trotskyite, I’m not sure where he found the time to be the leader of the largest political party in Europe, and you’d like to have thought that most of the country would have realised it was all a load of bollocks, but no.
Sadly, the education system was underfunded to the point where brain dead drones were pushed in the populace and people couldn’t think for themselves, so voted tory; as their beloved S*n told them to.
Sorry, what am I missing here? I quite like Sam’s music but why should I care about his politics?
Come on. I’m a long term Labour Party member and he left a bad taste in my mouth from the word go. He reminded me of a particular type of leftist man I’ve known my whole life. And I’m not the only one. And I know I’ll get downvoted for this, which is exactly the problem. Certain people in the Party, new members in particular, just cannot face the fact that others might simply disagree.
It’s actually baffling what people believe and listen to these days. I remember seeing a picture on Facebook of Corbyn in parliament wearing a poppy and someone had clearly photoshopped the words “We should forget” onto his poppy badge
Yet somehow the post had over a million likes, comments and shares. People raging in the comments, the usual bollocks. I came off Facebook shortly afterwards because it’s all fake news and idiots and they believe everything
Just use your common sense, no one is wearing a badge like that in parliament ffs
Most of what the media used against Corbyn was his own doing, it was what he said and had done.
Not saying there was no bullshit, but Corbyn isn’t free of criticism as much as his supporters believe. There were A LOT of reasons to dislike Corbyn.
Can’t disagree with that, the Tory media very obviously did their duty.
There is no need to go out looking for conspiracy theories. There is a simpler explanation, and Occam’s Razor probably applies.
Many people in this country have fairly central views. That is no coincidence, it is the result 100 years of democracy with both sides aiming to win enough votes to form a majority. The dividing line between the two parties will naturally fall somewhere roughly in the middle.
Corbyn was just a bit too left wing. For a proportion of people with fairly central views, it was a step too far and they voted Tory instead. Simple as that.
It isn’t as if nobody voted for him. 32% of the electorate voted for him, whereas 43% voted Tory. It isn’t like everybody hated him, just that 10% of the electorate decided, on balance, that they marginally preferred what the Tories were offering.