Stalling until the next crisis so they can cancel it completely
It’ll probably be quicker for us to get some shovels and do it ourselves.
But Conor Skehan said we had an “Incredible sophisicated transport system here”
Well that’s just great.
I defend Ireland as a decent country on many issues but the approach to long-term joined-up planning, and in particular urban planning, is just dreadful. There is no vision.
“20 year saga”?
My old man worked for CIE as an railway engineer after graduating college in the 1980’s. They had plans then.
Where does that put the luas expansion?
3000 AD
“What I am confirming today is that by 2007 we will have the airport link done because that has been identified now as a government priority.” – Seamus Brennan, Minister for Transport – 2002
This country’s public transport system is a fucking embarrassment.
🎶In the year twenty five twenty five
Makes more sense to still just drive🎶
How was Ireland able to build a shit load of social housing in the 70s and 80s and nowadays it takes forever to do anything?
Is it time to bring back brown envelopes? At least shit got done.
Why is anyone surprised by this? Aren’t they still waffling on about the Bus Corridors 5 years later, which is essentially just adding more bus lanes? Why would anyone think that they could build a metro in 4 years when they can’t even paint a couple of lines up and down a road?
God forbid anyone in government just makes an actual decision.
Just build the fuckin thing.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – the public transport here is one of the main reasons I’m leaving soon.
The metro is never going to happen unless the Irish mindset of “ah we’ll leave it another while be grand” changes.
Meanwhile Sofia, in what is supposedly one of the poorest and corrupt countries in Europe, cracks on expanding the 4 underground metro lines it’s built since 1998. And a 5th line planned.
Copenhagen began building in 2002 and has 4 lines, complimenting an already great public transport system.
And here we are with 2 slow LUAS lines, diesel commuter trains and a DART line that was built on an existing line in 1984.
Government, politicians, councillors and NIMBYS can go fuck themselves.
“ some properties “ will loose value … same objection tag line ?
See ya in the new millennium lads
Ha that’s never going to happen.
Todays phrase of the day is:
“Slush fund”
Say it with me folks, SLUSH FUND!
We will have men on the moon before the train to the airport
This isn’t going to exist in any of our lifetimes, is it?
I honestly fucking hate it here.
Run the procurement in tandem with planning permission so there’s a company shovel ready when permission is granted. It’s an obvious solution to save some time.
>Mr Walsh said €83 million has been spent on the MetroLink project to date on the most recent iteration of the projection. That figure does not include fees relating to the earlier versions of the metro.
How can this project have cost more than 83 million SO FAR, and produced literally nothing?
One of only 2 capital cities in the whole of Europe that doesn’t have a rail link from the airport to the city centre. The amount of money they’ve spent on consultation, studies, etc., they’d have it half built by now
I was downvoted into the void before for saying that a Dublin metro will never be built, and I stand by it. They were talking about building one 20 years before I was born and I’m sure they’ll still only be talking about one 20 years after I’m gone.
Everyone going crazy about this in here must be forgetting that Ireland has a fantastic GDP and we rank really highly on the HDI and other cute statistics, so clearly Ireland is the greatest country, and if we have issues like this then it must mean it’s the exact same everywhere else as life in Ireland is the pinnacle of living – you shouldn’t feel bad about this type of news at all, at least we’re better than ‘insert shit country here’.
First metro built 1863
We can’t build one in 2022 absolute joke
A big issue with getting stuff like this done is the enormous amount of consultation, agreement and buy-in that these things need in this country, not to mention insane rights to object on any basis. We’re a nation of nimbys.
This isn’t the first time this has been reported, but I still don’t understand why it’s being delayed.
The reasons given are extremely vague to the extent that they’re essentially meaningless.
I actually thought this was a joke post.
How in the actual hell is this even possible? Why isn’t every single person responsible being audited inside and out because the only possible explanation for this farce is some serious money laundering.
This was meant to be COMPLETED 15 years ago! How the fuck have they not even broken ground?
Irelands green strategy plan is tax the fuck out of everyone without providing a greener alternative.
>“It is hugely frustrating because the Government haven’t made a decision to delay this project by 10 years, but it looks like it will be delayed by 10 years.
>“You can imagine how people are alarmed after €88 million [sic], we don’t have a MetroLink. Can you understand that frustration Mr Walsh?” he said.
>“Not really,” Mr Walsh responded. “I take your word for you if you are frustrated.”
>“It is reasonable that people are frustrated by that?” Mr McAuliffe added.
>“People’s frustration is not something I can really comment on,” Mr Walsh said.
>Mr McAuliffe reminded Mr Walsh that a timeline for the project was produced in 2018 and TII was supposed to have produced the rail procurement order in the third quarter of 2019, but “failed at the first hurdle”.
>“Was it a realistic timeline ever or was it not resourced to the point where you could deliver it within that timeframe?” Mr McAuliffe asked.
>Mr Walsh said the timeline announced in 2018 was “probably optimistic. It has taken time to deal with the issues that needed to be dealt with”.
Would somebody every just give this cunt a slap? In fact, how can govt. justify this. No accountability whatsoever.
If the 88 million euro, only 8 m has gone to some use – such as surveys, documents etc. 80 million is practically untraceable. I cannot fathom this. I work on research and often see my colleagues bring in grants of a few hundred thousand and that funds a few years of research, salaries, field work, lab supplies, publications and delivered outputs. Some colleagues have won grants of 1 – 2 million which have set them up for a decade of strong hard-core research using planes, ships, expensive materials and tools, numerous staff and postgrads, years of conferences and publications and actual tangible outputs for industry and society in general. The very idea of 80 M being spent and nothing to show for it is absolutely baffling. Is this not taxpayer money? Are we that desensitised and nihilistic that we’re just gonna sit back and say this is fine.. fuck me.
Maybe they are waiting for the city centre to grow out to the airport so no need for metro link it’s already in the city
“Tax like a left wing socialist country…
…spend like a right-wing laissez-faire neoliberal country.”
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Stalling until the next crisis so they can cancel it completely
It’ll probably be quicker for us to get some shovels and do it ourselves.
But Conor Skehan said we had an “Incredible sophisicated transport system here”
Well that’s just great.
I defend Ireland as a decent country on many issues but the approach to long-term joined-up planning, and in particular urban planning, is just dreadful. There is no vision.
“20 year saga”?
My old man worked for CIE as an railway engineer after graduating college in the 1980’s. They had plans then.
Where does that put the luas expansion?
3000 AD
“What I am confirming today is that by 2007 we will have the airport link done because that has been identified now as a government priority.” – Seamus Brennan, Minister for Transport – 2002
This country’s public transport system is a fucking embarrassment.
🎶In the year twenty five twenty five
Makes more sense to still just drive🎶
How was Ireland able to build a shit load of social housing in the 70s and 80s and nowadays it takes forever to do anything?
Is it time to bring back brown envelopes? At least shit got done.
Why is anyone surprised by this? Aren’t they still waffling on about the Bus Corridors 5 years later, which is essentially just adding more bus lanes? Why would anyone think that they could build a metro in 4 years when they can’t even paint a couple of lines up and down a road?
God forbid anyone in government just makes an actual decision.
Just build the fuckin thing.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – the public transport here is one of the main reasons I’m leaving soon.
The metro is never going to happen unless the Irish mindset of “ah we’ll leave it another while be grand” changes.
Meanwhile Sofia, in what is supposedly one of the poorest and corrupt countries in Europe, cracks on expanding the 4 underground metro lines it’s built since 1998. And a 5th line planned.
Copenhagen began building in 2002 and has 4 lines, complimenting an already great public transport system.
And here we are with 2 slow LUAS lines, diesel commuter trains and a DART line that was built on an existing line in 1984.
Government, politicians, councillors and NIMBYS can go fuck themselves.
“ some properties “ will loose value … same objection tag line ?
See ya in the new millennium lads
Ha that’s never going to happen.
Todays phrase of the day is:
“Slush fund”
Say it with me folks, SLUSH FUND!
We will have men on the moon before the train to the airport
This isn’t going to exist in any of our lifetimes, is it?
I honestly fucking hate it here.
Run the procurement in tandem with planning permission so there’s a company shovel ready when permission is granted. It’s an obvious solution to save some time.
>Mr Walsh said €83 million has been spent on the MetroLink project to date on the most recent iteration of the projection. That figure does not include fees relating to the earlier versions of the metro.
How can this project have cost more than 83 million SO FAR, and produced literally nothing?
One of only 2 capital cities in the whole of Europe that doesn’t have a rail link from the airport to the city centre. The amount of money they’ve spent on consultation, studies, etc., they’d have it half built by now
I was downvoted into the void before for saying that a Dublin metro will never be built, and I stand by it. They were talking about building one 20 years before I was born and I’m sure they’ll still only be talking about one 20 years after I’m gone.
Everyone going crazy about this in here must be forgetting that Ireland has a fantastic GDP and we rank really highly on the HDI and other cute statistics, so clearly Ireland is the greatest country, and if we have issues like this then it must mean it’s the exact same everywhere else as life in Ireland is the pinnacle of living – you shouldn’t feel bad about this type of news at all, at least we’re better than ‘insert shit country here’.
First metro built 1863
We can’t build one in 2022 absolute joke
A big issue with getting stuff like this done is the enormous amount of consultation, agreement and buy-in that these things need in this country, not to mention insane rights to object on any basis. We’re a nation of nimbys.
This isn’t the first time this has been reported, but I still don’t understand why it’s being delayed.
The reasons given are extremely vague to the extent that they’re essentially meaningless.
I actually thought this was a joke post.
How in the actual hell is this even possible? Why isn’t every single person responsible being audited inside and out because the only possible explanation for this farce is some serious money laundering.
This was meant to be COMPLETED 15 years ago! How the fuck have they not even broken ground?
Irelands green strategy plan is tax the fuck out of everyone without providing a greener alternative.
>“It is hugely frustrating because the Government haven’t made a decision to delay this project by 10 years, but it looks like it will be delayed by 10 years.
>“You can imagine how people are alarmed after €88 million [sic], we don’t have a MetroLink. Can you understand that frustration Mr Walsh?” he said.
>“Not really,” Mr Walsh responded. “I take your word for you if you are frustrated.”
>“It is reasonable that people are frustrated by that?” Mr McAuliffe added.
>“People’s frustration is not something I can really comment on,” Mr Walsh said.
>Mr McAuliffe reminded Mr Walsh that a timeline for the project was produced in 2018 and TII was supposed to have produced the rail procurement order in the third quarter of 2019, but “failed at the first hurdle”.
>“Was it a realistic timeline ever or was it not resourced to the point where you could deliver it within that timeframe?” Mr McAuliffe asked.
>Mr Walsh said the timeline announced in 2018 was “probably optimistic. It has taken time to deal with the issues that needed to be dealt with”.
Would somebody every just give this cunt a slap? In fact, how can govt. justify this. No accountability whatsoever.
If the 88 million euro, only 8 m has gone to some use – such as surveys, documents etc. 80 million is practically untraceable. I cannot fathom this. I work on research and often see my colleagues bring in grants of a few hundred thousand and that funds a few years of research, salaries, field work, lab supplies, publications and delivered outputs. Some colleagues have won grants of 1 – 2 million which have set them up for a decade of strong hard-core research using planes, ships, expensive materials and tools, numerous staff and postgrads, years of conferences and publications and actual tangible outputs for industry and society in general. The very idea of 80 M being spent and nothing to show for it is absolutely baffling. Is this not taxpayer money? Are we that desensitised and nihilistic that we’re just gonna sit back and say this is fine.. fuck me.
Maybe they are waiting for the city centre to grow out to the airport so no need for metro link it’s already in the city
“Tax like a left wing socialist country…
…spend like a right-wing laissez-faire neoliberal country.”
– FFG