Didn’t know the accident happened at 2 in the morning.
I grew up in a very rural area, and my earliest memories involve my parents and older sisters hammering road safety into me – what side of the road to walk on, look both ways etc etc
Living in a town now, I’m constantly shocked at what just appears to be genuine lack of knowledge on how to behave on the roads, whether it be pedestrians or cyclists.
The latest thing is e-scooters, and it’s genuinely mind boggling. I’ve never seen stupidity like it, whether it be people dressed all in black on them at night, or just shooting out from behind parked cars onto busy roads, weaving in and out of traffic and up and down off of footpaths when it suits them. And it’s not just young lads, it’s adults aswell, sometimes with younger kids as passengers.
I obviously don’t know what happened in this case, but it’s a tragedy. I doubt it’ll be the last.
What can be done?
>A tragedy like this, although it can bring communities together, it also raises questions around safety of the entire scooter industry and the way scooters are regulated or perhaps even the lack of regulation and I think it’s going to have to be looked at by Government and by the transport authorities, how better to police scooters and how to ensure that they’re driven or operated in a safe manner.
>”I’m not saying these young people weren’t doing that but I’m just saying that, in a general sense.”
If only we had a road safety authority and Garda force that was worth a fuck.
That is just awful, and for the familys of both 😢
On another note an e scooter whizzed past me as I was taking off at a traffic stop today in Dublin in all black no helmet doing at least 25km so my mirror check was useless, a Garda car was literally behind me did nothing, if they’re not going to encourage safer habits of escooter users and pull them up to the regulations I fear this is just the beginning
[removed]
Oh *now* they want our dashcam footage, after the fact, but they’ve no interest in anyone else doing anything dangerous.
What we need is proper enforcement of laws against using the roads in a dangerous manner, for all road users. What we will get is regulation that restricts everyone’s use of the roads, with the heaviest restrictions on the most vulnerable and environmentally sustainable road users. From the IT article:
>The Mayor of Waterford Cllr Joe Kelly earlier described the first teenager’s death as a “tragedy”, whilst calling for more stringent escooter regulations to be put in place following a surge in the popularity of such vehicles on Irish roads. He said that escooter users are “the most vulnerable road users”.
I mean the *most vulnerable road users* are probably cyclists, or even pedestrians. Maybe what we need is more regulation of walking to protect pedestrians. A walking license? Maybe you can only hop until you’re 25 and then you can walk. No running in urban environments.
Everything about rule of law and regulation is done in this way in Ireland. We can’t be arsed to enforce law or regulation against people who are actually doing harmful things, so we put big obstacles in front of everyone who wants to do anything. The people who actually bother to do things the right way (e.g. file proper environmental plans for a new site or, dispose of rubbish properly) have to go through an expensive and punitive system that siphons money into lawyers and consultants and the civil service, and the people who actually have bad intentions just dump their chemicals in the river and tell nobody.
Those things should not be on the road. The fact kids are allowed on the road with these things is ridiculous.
Back when I was a kid (20 years ago) my parents got us electric bike things. Kind of chunky ride on things but similar concept. Maybe 25km/h top speed. Always stuck to the paths on it. Still had fun doing skids and wheelies and stuff along our street and driveway. If I wanted to cross the road I’d use the pedestrian crossing and wait. You can ban just about everything. It’s mostly down to how you behave. Why is a 15 year old out at 2:10 in the morning is the real question
[deleted]
Parents allowing children under 16 to ride e-scooters on the roads need to face penalties to deter illegal usage.
A 15 year old out at 2am riding a scooter, what kind of parenting is that?
Terrible just terrible may they RIP.
Funny how cars have to have lights by law but scooter/bike users don’t have to wear high vis.
You’re allowed to make yourself practically invisible with the black tracksuit an still expect to be seen.
no doubt the poor driver will be doxxed and getting death threats soon.
Time to ban E-Scooters they are dangerous. Killing more people than dogs
It’s very hard to find scooter users who don’t drive like muppets.
But why is a 15 year old using a motor vehicle on a public road? How after years of them being available is this still happening. I don’t blame the kid or the parents, I blame the complete failure to enforce the rules of the road by the Gardai.
Saw a scooter flying down Harcourt street beside the Luas station the other day. One way street and then going against the traffic
Another scooter incident in Waterford City today, about 2km from the scene of the other one.
Sad event, I am hoping this is the catalyst for real change and enforcement.
Love how the article mentions the bus driver was physically unharmed. You’d hope so with the difference in vehicles
It’s the bus driver I feel for in this situation. He’ll be haunted by this for the rest of his life.
Those escooters need to be taxed insured and a licence to drive them created with education
Those scooters are all tweaked to do over 50km
These scooters are a fucking joke on the road with adults at the wheel, just mind boggling that someone would let their teenagers on them.
Senseless fucking deaths.
Fuckin hell, that’s just awful.
Sympathies to all concerned, the driver and the families of the lads killed.
Thought it was bad form though if the Gardai and media (RTE in particular.) not cordoning off the Bus, or covering it with a tarp or something. Cops and everyone doing interviews a few meters in front of the bus with it’s shattered windscreen, with the track of the lads still in clear view.
Everyone knows what happened, but no need to have these images broadcast to all and sundry, voyeuristic or what.
There was two young guys, around this age on the quay the other day – the carpark right off the bridge – thought it was hilarious that they went up the footpath (towards the bridge), so fast and out of control, that they nearly took a slap of a jeep…
Here we see the result of the lack of care on e-scooters. 😔
RIP to them both, their poor families. The poor bus driver too, such a shock they must have had. I hope they can get the support they need
They need banned full stop
Replace religion class with a drivers ed class in all secondary schools then watch road deaths plummet
This might be very unpopular but I think no one should be allowed to use roads without a license, including two wheelers. I don’t mean a license as rigorous as a drivers. Give a theory test at least so you know not to wear black clothes during the night etc. it’s not just your life that might be saved because of it. It’ll also minimise the chances someone else is haunted by the fact that they killed/ nearly killed someone.
How was the windscreen, which was up so high, smashed ?
I place alot of blame at parents, Who in their right minds would buy or allow their kids on these death traps? it falls into the same bracket as anti social behaviour and parents lack of parenting, some parents just let their kids out and do what they want cos theyre out of their hair and the raising is done in their eyes,some people arent fit to raise kids
Ban ALL e-scooters, or, they must have a licence and insurance.
35 comments
God rest them both.
Didn’t know the accident happened at 2 in the morning.
I grew up in a very rural area, and my earliest memories involve my parents and older sisters hammering road safety into me – what side of the road to walk on, look both ways etc etc
Living in a town now, I’m constantly shocked at what just appears to be genuine lack of knowledge on how to behave on the roads, whether it be pedestrians or cyclists.
The latest thing is e-scooters, and it’s genuinely mind boggling. I’ve never seen stupidity like it, whether it be people dressed all in black on them at night, or just shooting out from behind parked cars onto busy roads, weaving in and out of traffic and up and down off of footpaths when it suits them. And it’s not just young lads, it’s adults aswell, sometimes with younger kids as passengers.
I obviously don’t know what happened in this case, but it’s a tragedy. I doubt it’ll be the last.
What can be done?
>A tragedy like this, although it can bring communities together, it also raises questions around safety of the entire scooter industry and the way scooters are regulated or perhaps even the lack of regulation and I think it’s going to have to be looked at by Government and by the transport authorities, how better to police scooters and how to ensure that they’re driven or operated in a safe manner.
>”I’m not saying these young people weren’t doing that but I’m just saying that, in a general sense.”
If only we had a road safety authority and Garda force that was worth a fuck.
That is just awful, and for the familys of both 😢
On another note an e scooter whizzed past me as I was taking off at a traffic stop today in Dublin in all black no helmet doing at least 25km so my mirror check was useless, a Garda car was literally behind me did nothing, if they’re not going to encourage safer habits of escooter users and pull them up to the regulations I fear this is just the beginning
[removed]
Oh *now* they want our dashcam footage, after the fact, but they’ve no interest in anyone else doing anything dangerous.
What we need is proper enforcement of laws against using the roads in a dangerous manner, for all road users. What we will get is regulation that restricts everyone’s use of the roads, with the heaviest restrictions on the most vulnerable and environmentally sustainable road users. From the IT article:
>The Mayor of Waterford Cllr Joe Kelly earlier described the first teenager’s death as a “tragedy”, whilst calling for more stringent escooter regulations to be put in place following a surge in the popularity of such vehicles on Irish roads. He said that escooter users are “the most vulnerable road users”.
I mean the *most vulnerable road users* are probably cyclists, or even pedestrians. Maybe what we need is more regulation of walking to protect pedestrians. A walking license? Maybe you can only hop until you’re 25 and then you can walk. No running in urban environments.
Everything about rule of law and regulation is done in this way in Ireland. We can’t be arsed to enforce law or regulation against people who are actually doing harmful things, so we put big obstacles in front of everyone who wants to do anything. The people who actually bother to do things the right way (e.g. file proper environmental plans for a new site or, dispose of rubbish properly) have to go through an expensive and punitive system that siphons money into lawyers and consultants and the civil service, and the people who actually have bad intentions just dump their chemicals in the river and tell nobody.
Those things should not be on the road. The fact kids are allowed on the road with these things is ridiculous.
Back when I was a kid (20 years ago) my parents got us electric bike things. Kind of chunky ride on things but similar concept. Maybe 25km/h top speed. Always stuck to the paths on it. Still had fun doing skids and wheelies and stuff along our street and driveway. If I wanted to cross the road I’d use the pedestrian crossing and wait. You can ban just about everything. It’s mostly down to how you behave. Why is a 15 year old out at 2:10 in the morning is the real question
[deleted]
Parents allowing children under 16 to ride e-scooters on the roads need to face penalties to deter illegal usage.
A 15 year old out at 2am riding a scooter, what kind of parenting is that?
Terrible just terrible may they RIP.
Funny how cars have to have lights by law but scooter/bike users don’t have to wear high vis.
You’re allowed to make yourself practically invisible with the black tracksuit an still expect to be seen.
no doubt the poor driver will be doxxed and getting death threats soon.
Time to ban E-Scooters they are dangerous. Killing more people than dogs
It’s very hard to find scooter users who don’t drive like muppets.
But why is a 15 year old using a motor vehicle on a public road? How after years of them being available is this still happening. I don’t blame the kid or the parents, I blame the complete failure to enforce the rules of the road by the Gardai.
Saw a scooter flying down Harcourt street beside the Luas station the other day. One way street and then going against the traffic
Another scooter incident in Waterford City today, about 2km from the scene of the other one.
Sad event, I am hoping this is the catalyst for real change and enforcement.
Love how the article mentions the bus driver was physically unharmed. You’d hope so with the difference in vehicles
It’s the bus driver I feel for in this situation. He’ll be haunted by this for the rest of his life.
Those escooters need to be taxed insured and a licence to drive them created with education
Those scooters are all tweaked to do over 50km
These scooters are a fucking joke on the road with adults at the wheel, just mind boggling that someone would let their teenagers on them.
Senseless fucking deaths.
Fuckin hell, that’s just awful.
Sympathies to all concerned, the driver and the families of the lads killed.
Thought it was bad form though if the Gardai and media (RTE in particular.) not cordoning off the Bus, or covering it with a tarp or something. Cops and everyone doing interviews a few meters in front of the bus with it’s shattered windscreen, with the track of the lads still in clear view.
Everyone knows what happened, but no need to have these images broadcast to all and sundry, voyeuristic or what.
There was two young guys, around this age on the quay the other day – the carpark right off the bridge – thought it was hilarious that they went up the footpath (towards the bridge), so fast and out of control, that they nearly took a slap of a jeep…
Here we see the result of the lack of care on e-scooters. 😔
RIP to them both, their poor families. The poor bus driver too, such a shock they must have had. I hope they can get the support they need
They need banned full stop
Replace religion class with a drivers ed class in all secondary schools then watch road deaths plummet
This might be very unpopular but I think no one should be allowed to use roads without a license, including two wheelers. I don’t mean a license as rigorous as a drivers. Give a theory test at least so you know not to wear black clothes during the night etc. it’s not just your life that might be saved because of it. It’ll also minimise the chances someone else is haunted by the fact that they killed/ nearly killed someone.
How was the windscreen, which was up so high, smashed ?
I place alot of blame at parents, Who in their right minds would buy or allow their kids on these death traps? it falls into the same bracket as anti social behaviour and parents lack of parenting, some parents just let their kids out and do what they want cos theyre out of their hair and the raising is done in their eyes,some people arent fit to raise kids
Ban ALL e-scooters, or, they must have a licence and insurance.