Lawrence: We live in a country where most commentators declared the liar the debate winner

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1. Yeah, because he won the debate. Biden turned his age into the biggest issue of the election. It cannot be overstated how catastrophically Biden fucked up here.

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3. It’s disgusting how quickly the mainstream media (CNN and the New York Times) turned on Biden, calling for him to resign without giving him the chance to course correct.

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   Is it so unreasonable to believe that anyone, including Biden can have a bad day?

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   Not to mention Trump who is a convicted felon and rapist, not much younger than biden lied through his teeth throughout the debate and left such gems for us like “They’re taking Black jobs now and it could be 18, it could be 19 and even 20 million people,”

   “When Putin saw that, he said, ‘You know what? I think we’re gonna go in and maybe take my …’ This was his dream. I talked to him about it. His dream,”

   The mainstream media is filled with cravens and cowardly backstabbers

4. I’m not American, but I saw one rambling old guy with decent ideas and one absolutely crazy old guy lying constantly spewing hate and nonsense.

   Biden wasn’t on his A-game, he fumbled a bit, but Trump was fucking horrible. Like, he didn’t answer the questions and just kept talking about immigrants. It was actually funny.

5. In a debate, the debater who makes points that are largely unchallenged is typically the winner.

   Trump lied through his teeth the entire time. Biden did very little to counter that.

   It’s called sophistry, and it’s as poor a measure of truth as it ever was. Yet, truth isn’t the measure of debate victory. It never has been.

6. I mean…how about better choices? That’s the best both parties can come up with? A pathological liar and a demented old man?

   No one wants to be that guy or gal that takes responsibility anymore. They just wanna go to Washington and make bank. So of course all the talented people go into finance or just stay in the background pulling the strings.

7. Incredible attempt to spin this in less than 24 hours.

   Yes lets all gaslight ourselves and making us doubt what we saw that’s the way !

8. Silver Lining – better to fuck up yesterday than later.

   Biden is getting on in years, but I also think the Democrats (in general) was maybe relaxing a bit too much due to Trump’s conviction in NY several weeks ago.

   Biden’s bungling also strongly reminded me that everyone has (very) limited brain “bandwidth”, which in turn further reminded me of other psychological… “barriers” that make it so dang hard to get people with disagreements on the same page.

9. One aspect of for-profit TV is how the debate becomes a match. Instead of scrutinizing policies, we scrutinize their performance

10. It’s not that Trump “won”, it’s a matter of how poor Biden’s performance was. It straight shook democrats seeing him so low energy and fumbling. If he had made all the same statements and mistakes, but delivered like he did the very next day— we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

11. Which liar?

12. Biden was the biggest loser in a debate where everyone thought that trump would be the big loser….

    There are no “winners” here.

13. Bidens follow up rally was night and day. I wish he was like that during the debate.

14. Either it was a debate and Trump disqualified himself by veering off topic and lying, or it was an improv competition and Biden got his ass whooped.

15. Journalism Is dead. And not yesterday

16. It’s the correct interpretation, based on historical precedent. That was a disaster. The debate rubric is different for republicans and Dems. It is what it is. We’re more discerning voters than they are.

    That said, we’re going to vote Biden anyway. He’s not my pick by a long shot, but he gets my vote anyway.

17. THAT RIGHT!!!. And Fuck that. These pundits got to go. They ain’t worth shit. We have serious shit to do and change and we can’t these value-less common gossipers fashioning reality.

18. When Joe Biden said “we finally beat Medicare” during last night’s debate, that sent chills down my spine. So inspirational, I am so glad that he was able to beat it! Amazing president.

19. When Joe Biden said “we finally beat Medicare” during last night’s debate, that sent chills down my spine. So inspirational, I am so glad that he was able to beat it! Amazing president.

20. That would be becasue Biden obviously lost. Trump ran circles around him completely unchallenged.

21. Trump was definitely more presidential, only in the sense that he was coherent. That’s how pathetic Biden was.

22. Lawrence and all of MSNBC for that matter is seething massively hard.

23. Style over substance, lies over values.

    We’re in the shallowest timeline.

24. We’re still making excuses for an old 81 years man who has no business running for the presidency. What fucking choice we have here, an old lying cheating criminal vs an old lost in the middle of a sentence guy is hi both probably needed a diaper change at 10 pm that day. What a fucking disaster?

25. OK look, Biden was the only person in the U.S. able to beat Trump last time and he did, and between now and November, that is still true. For doubters of what counts – his true capabilities *as President* (debate skills are a weak proxy for that, especially against a sociopathic 100% liar who was not fact-checked once by moderators), it’s time to use real critical thinking, and to double down on our collective bet on Biden. The evidence of his capabilities is what he has accomplished despite having the worst House in history, with all the gerrymandering providing congress with a huge number of insane people. He only had like a one-vote margin in the Senate, and additional insanity with Manchin and Sinema. But he did gun control (holy shit that’s unbelievable), and major investment acts that are catalyzing an extraordinary manufacturing and tech boom, federal investment yielding many multiples of private investment in manufacturing and jobs. Massive infrastructure investments, nothing like that in a generation or more. Abandonning Joe now gives the country to Trump in 2025 – and what has become a frighteningly well-organized cabal with the Project 2025 roadmap to dismantle our checks and balances on the Executive. Noboby, and I mean truly nobody, has given a name of a real person who has any chance whatseover of beating Trump at this incredibly late stage. So if you care about just about any part of what makes America the greatest nation in history, double down and ferociously support Biden. More blunt: time for Dems to stop effing eating their own and act a lot more like the Republicans. They fight for real, and no matter what, give relentless support to their horrible leaders even more after the criminal convictions and the jury verdicts for $400 million fraud and rape as defined in NY. That’s why they can win. Mark Cuban is right – support Biden even if he’s on life support. Whining about some mythical alternative is dangerous for our future.

26. Probably a little late to the party on this one, but the movie “[Thank you for smoking](https://youtu.be/vjOrOMVFCbs?si=Qm8CmkFp3QcX8YDn)” comes to mind here.

    – “That’s not what we’re talking about”
    – “But that’s what I’m talking about…I’m not after you, I’m after them”

27. This was always gonna happen

    No one expects anything from the felon melon so he can shit his pants and it’s a footnote

    People demand perfection from Biden so even if he was on his a game but stuttered once we’d see stuff like this