I think that every single clever country has to reject the so called “woke culture”, which is a bunch of bullshit, in my humble opinion.
Let’s unify with what we have in common, instead of putting labels on everything to pinpoint our differences.
Is that even a thing in France? I’ve met quite a few Frenchies on Erasmus, not one of them could be described as woke by any stretch of the imagination.
America had the strictest racial laws that even inspired the nazis, and they’re sending their billionaires in space while still having the shittest workers’ rights in the world.
They have nothing to teach us.
Edit: damn the salt mines are open and flowing tonight. Allez sans rancune les merloques.
Good.
This article is just terrible and is just adding fuel to the diplomatic fire. Macron said in June he does not agree with woke culture. This article makes it look like an attack on America, while it really isn’t.
Just the first two paragraphs are about a French newspaper who published critical opinions on the war in Afghanistan and woke culture, but that isn’t related to what Macron said at all…
Later:
> A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to “America’s woke ideology.”
How stereotypically nationalistic is this American writer? Yes thank you for saving us America, but the war really doesn’t have to do with anything.
Macron disagreeing with woke culture doesnt make him racist at all, he’s actually rather progressive.
French (and other European nations) culture embraces colour blindness: race isn’t seen, as people are equal and should be treated equally. “Woke culture” embraces differences between races, but everyone should still be treated equally.
>One of France’s leading magazines, Le Spectacle Du Monde, ran a cover story titled “The Suicide of America.” The magazine blamed America’s retreat from Afghanistan on “a woke dictatorship” and questioned whether the American “empire was collapsing.”
Just from scanning their advertised headlines, leading or not, their audience is quite clearly the same as for other anti-Western political commentary while clothing themselves in carboard-box academic thinking. Titles include: “America, the forever paper tiger”. One can definitely debate the merits of US hegemony, but to frame it as if the US *didn’t* have hegemony over the past few decades is quite frankly flying in the face of object reality – which, I presume, is exactly the point.
Not sure one should use them as an example of mainstream French thought.
For a second I thought this was about cooking in a wok that is getting out of hand in the US…
At the recent climate rally in Berlin a buddy of mine got told “Why don’t you want to protest against the AFD, those people are all racists. Is it just because you’re white?”
I was baffled and quite frankly still am.
I think we have already lost the fight against that.
Youtube, TikTok, Twitch, and maybe other social medias just promote the most popular people and they so happen to be American and often subscribers to that woke mindset.
I know that because I watch Twitch and Youtube, but I think for myself and I dont think that mindset is needed in Europe, we have our own problems.
I always said it, the USA is exporting its racial problems to us. We have been culturally conquered by them.
😆. Isn’t postmodernism French philosophy?
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Kinda ironic considering that much of the intellectual roots of ‘woke’ culture originated from French philosophers – like Foucault and Derrida.
This article is ABSOLUTELY bullshit !!
First of all “le spectacle du monde” isn’t one of the main press title in France. It was a newspaper that came out in 1962, and again in 2019 as a complement to a a news paper defending far right ideas.
Secondly the article from Macron’s interview doesn’t talk AT ALL about woke culture.
The video or the French Diverrsuty Minister, states that they are fighting against discrimination to bring more equality, she says that people shouldn’t be judge on their skin color, gender etc, she doesn’t talk about woke culture at all.
And Alexis de Tocqueville wasn’t sent to an Americans University, he was sent to study the penitentiary system and the political system.
How can you call yourself “news” and write those kinds of article ?
At this point the word “woke” has been trown so much around its definition could be “everything that I do not agree”.
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I think the government will be disappointed to discover that you can’t just “reject” cultural osmosis, unless you’re willing to start censoring the internet and literature. People do as they please, and sometimes it’s very annoying things.
I’m French, I never heard of Le Spectacle du Monde. Bullshit article from Newsweek.
He has a point.
Mainland Europe has a different kind of it.american racism relates to the culture of hyper capitalism,and has to be respected as a whole monster on its own
Why did I read “radicalizing” the first time I read this? Right now 10% on the far left and 10% on the far right are holding America hostage to their stupidity.
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Ok ok I see you France. Now you’re starting to make some sense!
Good. The majority of Americans reject it too.
Good. Europe must defend itself against US retardism.
American society is like cancer on western civilization.
woke culture in America is toxic, I’m from Wisconsin which is not that bad of a state all in all but woke culture is disgusting, one thing you say that someone doesn’t like will make them “offended” if you’re “offended” then you must be privileged. I don’t agree with Macron on most things but in my opinion he is right.
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I think that every single clever country has to reject the so called “woke culture”, which is a bunch of bullshit, in my humble opinion.
Let’s unify with what we have in common, instead of putting labels on everything to pinpoint our differences.
Is that even a thing in France? I’ve met quite a few Frenchies on Erasmus, not one of them could be described as woke by any stretch of the imagination.
America had the strictest racial laws that even inspired the nazis, and they’re sending their billionaires in space while still having the shittest workers’ rights in the world.
They have nothing to teach us.
Edit: damn the salt mines are open and flowing tonight. Allez sans rancune les merloques.
Good.
This article is just terrible and is just adding fuel to the diplomatic fire. Macron said in June he does not agree with woke culture. This article makes it look like an attack on America, while it really isn’t.
Just the first two paragraphs are about a French newspaper who published critical opinions on the war in Afghanistan and woke culture, but that isn’t related to what Macron said at all…
Later:
> A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to “America’s woke ideology.”
How stereotypically nationalistic is this American writer? Yes thank you for saving us America, but the war really doesn’t have to do with anything.
Macron disagreeing with woke culture doesnt make him racist at all, he’s actually rather progressive.
French (and other European nations) culture embraces colour blindness: race isn’t seen, as people are equal and should be treated equally. “Woke culture” embraces differences between races, but everyone should still be treated equally.
>One of France’s leading magazines, Le Spectacle Du Monde, ran a cover story titled “The Suicide of America.” The magazine blamed America’s retreat from Afghanistan on “a woke dictatorship” and questioned whether the American “empire was collapsing.”
Just from scanning their advertised headlines, leading or not, their audience is quite clearly the same as for other anti-Western political commentary while clothing themselves in carboard-box academic thinking. Titles include: “America, the forever paper tiger”. One can definitely debate the merits of US hegemony, but to frame it as if the US *didn’t* have hegemony over the past few decades is quite frankly flying in the face of object reality – which, I presume, is exactly the point.
Not sure one should use them as an example of mainstream French thought.
For a second I thought this was about cooking in a wok that is getting out of hand in the US…
At the recent climate rally in Berlin a buddy of mine got told “Why don’t you want to protest against the AFD, those people are all racists. Is it just because you’re white?”
I was baffled and quite frankly still am.
I think we have already lost the fight against that.
Youtube, TikTok, Twitch, and maybe other social medias just promote the most popular people and they so happen to be American and often subscribers to that woke mindset.
I know that because I watch Twitch and Youtube, but I think for myself and I dont think that mindset is needed in Europe, we have our own problems.
I always said it, the USA is exporting its racial problems to us. We have been culturally conquered by them.
😆. Isn’t postmodernism French philosophy?
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Kinda ironic considering that much of the intellectual roots of ‘woke’ culture originated from French philosophers – like Foucault and Derrida.
This article is ABSOLUTELY bullshit !!
First of all “le spectacle du monde” isn’t one of the main press title in France. It was a newspaper that came out in 1962, and again in 2019 as a complement to a a news paper defending far right ideas.
Secondly the article from Macron’s interview doesn’t talk AT ALL about woke culture.
The video or the French Diverrsuty Minister, states that they are fighting against discrimination to bring more equality, she says that people shouldn’t be judge on their skin color, gender etc, she doesn’t talk about woke culture at all.
And Alexis de Tocqueville wasn’t sent to an Americans University, he was sent to study the penitentiary system and the political system.
How can you call yourself “news” and write those kinds of article ?
At this point the word “woke” has been trown so much around its definition could be “everything that I do not agree”.
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I think the government will be disappointed to discover that you can’t just “reject” cultural osmosis, unless you’re willing to start censoring the internet and literature. People do as they please, and sometimes it’s very annoying things.
I’m French, I never heard of Le Spectacle du Monde. Bullshit article from Newsweek.
He has a point.
Mainland Europe has a different kind of it.american racism relates to the culture of hyper capitalism,and has to be respected as a whole monster on its own
Why did I read “radicalizing” the first time I read this? Right now 10% on the far left and 10% on the far right are holding America hostage to their stupidity.
Based
Ok ok I see you France. Now you’re starting to make some sense!
Good. The majority of Americans reject it too.
Good. Europe must defend itself against US retardism.
American society is like cancer on western civilization.
woke culture in America is toxic, I’m from Wisconsin which is not that bad of a state all in all but woke culture is disgusting, one thing you say that someone doesn’t like will make them “offended” if you’re “offended” then you must be privileged. I don’t agree with Macron on most things but in my opinion he is right.