Biden’s Family Tells Him to Keep Fighting as They Huddle at Camp David

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html

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  2. *Biden’s family screws American voters to hold on to power

  3. I can’t imagine telling my 81 year old family member to continue to run for president, when they’re showing signs of old age like this.

  4. Let’s be absolutely clear about what the situation is here – the Democratic party is betting absolutely everything on Joe Biden’s health not deteriorating in the next six months. If they are wrong, not only are we headed for a very organized implementation of fascism, but it will be the complete obliteration of the Democratic party apparatus as a whole.

    As facism is on the rise in Europe I think it is becoming clear that neoliberalism is failing now that a monolithic hegemony fueled by constant economic imperialism is no longer possible. It turns out that we are indeed not at the “end of history” as they proclaimed in victory following the fall of the Soviet Union. The true battle between fascism and socialism is about to return in a big way.

    I hope that we all survive it.

  6. Hunter Biden holds the fate of the world in his hands lmao

  7. It’s like taking the keys away from grandpa. Nobody wants to fucking do it until he crosses over the center divider and kills a bunch of innocent people. Only now, we’re talking about the entire country.

    Thanks Biden Family from a grateful nation.

  8. For Christ’s sake being president isn’t a lifetime achievement award. Nobody’s entitled to be president and nobody deserves the job. If you can’t win and meaningfully exercise power, you shouldn’t be within a mile of the White House.

  9. The average age of the Senate is 65 years. 65. This isn’t a Joe Biden problem. This is an American government problem. Power hungry, rich assholes that don’t want to give up their power. If Joe Biden steps down due to age, it opens up a lot of uncomfortable questions for so many other people in government.

    If Trump wins the election, the blame will squarely fall on power hungry Joe Biden and the DNC who are mortgaging the future of America for their own selfish benefit.

    If this upcoming election is so important, why is Joe Biden the candidate?

  10. Malarkey

    These people have to know he can’t serve for 4 more years. They were holding his hand to get down a step at the debate, Jill tells him “you answered all the questions”

    This guy cannot be President for 4 more years, they need to stop conning us. For the good of the nation please step aside.

  11. RGB all over again. That was a message from a staffer on a group chat after the debate. Serve your country by stepping down

  12. > One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice…

    WTF?

  13. This is an enormous mistake.

    I’ve repeatedly asked anyone defending Biden’s remaining in where they’re getting their confidence that he can defeat Trump in November and they **cannot point to a single, solitary piece of data**.

    Why? Because it all shows Joe Biden is performing significantly-worse than his 2020 run where he won by merely 40,000 votes in 3 battleground states.

    Let’s face reality:

    – Biden is TEN POINTS nationally below where he was at this time in 2020.
    – Biden is losing in every single battleground state.
    – Biden is losing a large chunk of black and Hispanic voters compared to his 2020 run.
    – Biden’s aggregate approval ratings for Presidency are 37.7% with 56.7% disapproval.

    Former Obama/Biden staffers from Pod Save America are pretty much outright saying he should step down. Nate Silver wrote a data-driven article saying he should step down. The NYT Editorial board said he should step down. Ezra Klein. Thomas Friedman….

    It’s now or never before the convention.

    And to those who think we should ride this horse to the end, tell me: what happens if Biden worsens from now until November? What happens if the 81-year-old suffers a fatal medical emergency in October? Then we are really screwed.

    We either take the chance to nominate a fresh, younger face (you know, what the vast majority of Americans keep telling us they want), or watch this car crash in slow motion.

    I am so unbelievably pissed off right now because my children’s future is on the line because of the ego of this octogenarian and his out-of-touch Yes Men who surround him.

    Edit: [Preliminary post-debate polling data results are in. Trump won the debate.](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/6/29/in-post-debate-poll-voters-think-biden-is-too-old-to-be-president-yet-alternative-candidates-perform-similarly-against-trump): “Voters are more concerned about Biden’s age than Trump’s criminal charges.” Keep in mind that while it says, “other candidates perform similarly against Trump,” that’s pre-viral media attention and the entire DNC apparatus including Obama rallying behind someone like Whitmer. Most of those candidates, people just haven’t heard enough of. But they would in the coming months if the headlines are, “President Biden Resigns; Endorses Gov. Whitmer.”

  14. President Biden just hit his lowest approval rating ever on 538 at 37.7%.

    edit: His aggregate approval rating is now lower than Trump’s was when the latter left office, per 538.

    edit2: Biden briefly hit 37.4% in March of this year, so he hasn’t bottomed out yet. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t dip below 37% by the end of the week.

  15. I don’t care what Biden’s family wants.

    I don’t care what Biden wants.

    I care what America wants.

    And so should Biden.

    The fact that he doesn’t is what concerns me.

  16. >”We had a bad debate night. But you win campaigns by fighting — not quitting — in the face of adversity.”

    Ron Klain needs to read Annie Duke’s book on quitting:

    >“Success does not lie in sticking to things. It lies in picking the right thing to stick to and quitting the rest.”

    I’m not invested in whether Biden’s campaign succeeds; I’m invested in beating Trump.

  17. Trump will sell out Zelensky’s location in exchange for Trump Tower New Moscu (formerly Kyiv).

  18. Not dropping out and given another candidate a fighting shot will stain Biden’s legacy and the legacy of those surrounding him.

  19. remember when libs blamed bernie bros for trump getting elected the first time? when trump wins because of this insanity just remember how you tried to cope and tell yourself you were voting for his cabinet or whatever. we all saw his mental state at the debate. he should not be president. stop drinking this kool-aid because he will not win.

  20. Personally, I’d be telling my dad to enjoy what is left of life.

  21. I admire the fighting spirit after reading that actually, but real life isn’t like the movies. And you can’t fight age.

  22. Putting opinions aside, beating project 2025 is only possible if we have a blue wave. No candidate will satisfy such a diverse party and many would need to hold their nose anyway.

    Vote blue, not who. Fight back against scotus and project 2025.

  23. Love joe but he lost every swing state during that debate. He’s gotta be replaced.

  24. Just the fact that the family needed to huddle is evidence there’s a clear problem. Biden’s age was an issue early on when he announced a second run. It was clear to millions that this was not a great decision. Biden knows he cannot run and lose to Trump, that would pin on Biden, responsibility for all the carnage Trump does. History would be unkind to both.

    Age is unstoppable. Biden needs to let a new generation take over. That much is crystal clear.

  25. Two things can be true:
    1. Biden was the right person in 2020. He’s had an enormously successful presidency. He is a good man who has served his country for a long time.
    2. Biden _may_ be incapable of winning in 2024. Simply the optics of the debate may have sealed that.

    I think we can all agree we need to do everything we can to keep Trump’s Project 2025 from being fulfilled. There is no instruction manual on the obvious right thing to do. Whatever happens in November, some side of this will be able to say “I told you so”.

    But given how close it was last time when Biden looked dominant in the polls, compared to how bad it looks this time… And age is something that tends to not improve with time.

    All signs suggest we’re heading towards a trainwreck after which we will *not* be able to say “we did everything we could”.

  26. HE is going to be 86 years old as president, do you remember Dianne Feinstein. 4.5 years of aging

  28. He’s been a great president. It needs to be said. 

    I’m voting for him again. His administration has plans and executes them. I wish Democrats would back each other up. 

    People say he’s unfit. Well…he’s been a great president. 

  29. For the love of all that is good, don’t let your hubris fuck us all over. None of the DC elites will suffer like every regular person will under another Trump presidency

  30. Look at Ruth Bader Ginsburg. You gotta know when to let go of power to retain your legacy. She didn’t let go when she should have – everything she stood for is wiped out.

    Personal hubris over the sake of the nation is not wisdom.

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