The left will perpetually eat itself alive. It is written.
United or Left. Pick one.
The left is too broad a coalition to unite. It’s like saying Simon Harris and Justin Barrett should unite because they both aren’t left wing. The only alliance that could be formed is Labour-SD-Greens, who Murphy would immediately call capitalist sell-outs or something.
PBP are too toxic for an alliance.
One big problem with such an idea: some of the people who support leftish politics: hate PBP and in there is a lot of dislike for Paul Murphy. He is such a loudmouth. I don’t think they are capable of compromise to get a solution to problem. There are reason why the left is very fragmented in Irish politics, you even see some of the reason in the option piece.
I hate red versus blue politics: seeing the absolute shit show that American politics developed into is embarrassing for everyone. The only reason the tories are set to lose is because of their own incompetence and they can’t paint Labour as incompetent. I don’t like our own politicians but prefer our system to those. If you force people to pick left versus right you might not like the choices the electorate makes.
This clowns party is on what, 2%? Why are the media constantly talking about him? He’s irrelevant.
Paul Murphy calling for a “United left alliance” is pretty hysterical considering the sheer amount of political parties he’s split from
He’s the living embodiment of “The first item on a left wing parties agenda is the split” cliche
Maybe we’d have an actual functioning left wing party alternative if it wasn’t for people like him
Would need a cool acronym… Irish National Left Alliance
#INLA
What could go wrong?
I actually don’t mind Paul Murphy. But to be clear, the vast majority of voters who want to see an end to the Civil War government don’t actually want far left policies, either, lol. I’m quite confident most would settle for competent governance without corruption and jobs for the boys.
But they all hate each other?
He’s not wrong….but the labour party here presents itself as left,while openly aspiring to,and proud of inflicting austrity and dole/international schemes on the poorest again
While FF and FG prepare to piss away neutrality and conscript people here to fight in never ending wars,which have nothing to do with us
Has this not been attempted multiple times already? People don’t want it.
Paul Murphy: We need to *join together* get rid of FF & FG. First item on the agenda – fuck Labour. Also fuck the Greens.
Hard to take him seriously (much and all as I agree with him and RBB on lots)
He laughably claims PBP do actually want to be in government. That’s such a joke.
Far Left can’t go 5 minutes without splitting.
It’s difficult to get idealogical purists to work together. At the first sign of compromise they’re throwing their toys out of the pram. We haven’t had a majority government elected in Ireland since 1977, compromise is baked into the system.
Good luck with that
Tomorrow’s headline.
Paul Murphy splits from self.
A United left alliance would be good….so long as pbp are let no where near it
As if this could ever happen
Socialist Workers party.
Socialist Party.
Militant Labour
Anti Austerity Alliance,
United Left
United Left Alliance
People before Profit,
People before Profit Anti Austerity Alliance,
Workers and Unemployed Action
Solidarity,
People-Before Profit Solidarity
Rise
People Before Profit Solidarity Rise.
Independents4Change
Right2Change
That’s the various political parties the hard left have had over the past 15 odd years. And by the Hard Left we aren’t talking about hundreds of politicians. We are talking: Joe Higgins, Ruth Coppinger, Clare Daly, Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett, Brid Smith, Mick Wallace, Gino Kelly, Seamus Healy and Mick Barry.
Ten TDs and fifteen political parties between them!
Most of those political parties were formed because they had a row and one or two of them stormed off and made their own party only to come back together into a new party with both party names combined a year or two later. And they are just the hard left ones that TDs in the Dail have moved between. I haven’t included the mild left of Sinn Fein, Labour, Social Democrats, Deomcratic Left, etc etc. Imagine what it is like if you widen it out to Councillors and unelected members.
It’s like watching toddlers in a crèche fighting.
United left alliance,
From the party who publicly gives out about other left parties not being left enough or being too left.
Yeah okay Paul
Labour jumping into bed with FG in 2011 probably made a “Left alliance” almost impossible, I think. That move basically fractured “moderate” left politics in Ireland to the point that 24 seats in Dáil Éireann are made up of Greens-Labour-Social Democrats, who don’t really differ on a huge amount of issue and would otherwise be natural allies.
It also probably led to SF’s rise as the “alternative” to FFG, so it’s hard to say if they’d have had half the success if things had been different.
Basically, what I’m trying to say is every time the left in Ireland, from moderate to hard, start to gain traction, somebody shoots themselves in the foot and sets the whole thing back a decade or so. So I don’t think we’ll ever get the left alliance people talk about.
Call it reverse snobbery if you like, but as an actual working class person from Tallaght, I actually can’t stand Paul Murphy… he has the principled surety of an upper middle class trustifarian, the type who can afford to give their time to various causes cos they know they have the parental cushion to fall back on. Someone who went to private school is never going to understand what it is like to live in a deprived area… to really k ow what poverty feels like. I myself never went hungry, but I do remember sharing lunches with kids in my class . Many of whoĺlp later died due to addiction. I have never heard him posit an actual constructive plan to really help bring up people’s standards of living… I have heard him, though, cristiscise many compromises that we have to make in order to provide jobs to mostly working class people… data centres, corporate tax, big pharma without having an alternative plan …. … there is no joined up thinking… he just bleats out statements every now and then to keep up his profile ….
the words ‘united left’ are an oximoron. Left wing movements have not been great historically at compromis and coalition building with their peers.
Has it occured to him that maybe his politics are just not all that popular? 😂
This bozo gets way too much airtime.
Also, why do we need another privately educated toff telling us povs how to rectify our interminable damnation? Just another state lackey IMO.
He could start by pledging to vote with Labour on all issues. Or maybe he means they unite with him, not he unites with them?
A left alliance is unlikely, such a government would not last long past the first budget. The smarter lefty or far left politicians are pretty much webpage publicly funded grifters. They want to remain in opposition making soundbites and promises to appeal to their political base.
But they never want to be in government and a position where they would be expected to follow through on them.
There are so many egos on the left and to save face I could well imagine one group of them pulling down the government and walking away claiming that it is not left enough for them. A lot of what they propose is practically impossible” require that even bigger more expensive bureaucracy to implement.
Nobody wants that.
I am not defending the current wasteful government and outdated civil service model but it could be worse.
Brigid Purcell is immature toxic student politics nonsense incarnate
Well, let the voters decide. And then add up all the votes and see who is going to govern. Continually patronising people by telling them they voted the wrong way is counter productive.
There are more far left parties than far left politicians.
Paul Murphy – “Time is running out. The left needs to come together.”
Also Paul Murphy – ‘Fuck Labour and the Green Party’
The man is like ‘we need a left alliance’ and then bashes Labour for a paragraph. The Greens have got a huge amount done while in government because they went into power with parties that they didn’t agree with. What has PBP done in that time? Nothing. They rule out going into collation with FF/FG because of political purity as this is actually what the Hard Left is about. Student politics. You have to get along with people you don’t like in life and the same goes with politics. Otherwise build a party that will get a bigger vote than FF or FG and dictate the terms of forming a new government.
I consider myself left wing but I also want things to be achieved not slogans shouted through a megaphone. In truth that’s all Paul wants to do.
Fuck the labour party and the greens. They can stay in bed with FFG
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The left will perpetually eat itself alive. It is written.
United or Left. Pick one.
The left is too broad a coalition to unite. It’s like saying Simon Harris and Justin Barrett should unite because they both aren’t left wing. The only alliance that could be formed is Labour-SD-Greens, who Murphy would immediately call capitalist sell-outs or something.
PBP are too toxic for an alliance.
One big problem with such an idea: some of the people who support leftish politics: hate PBP and in there is a lot of dislike for Paul Murphy. He is such a loudmouth. I don’t think they are capable of compromise to get a solution to problem. There are reason why the left is very fragmented in Irish politics, you even see some of the reason in the option piece.
I hate red versus blue politics: seeing the absolute shit show that American politics developed into is embarrassing for everyone. The only reason the tories are set to lose is because of their own incompetence and they can’t paint Labour as incompetent. I don’t like our own politicians but prefer our system to those. If you force people to pick left versus right you might not like the choices the electorate makes.
This clowns party is on what, 2%? Why are the media constantly talking about him? He’s irrelevant.
Paul Murphy calling for a “United left alliance” is pretty hysterical considering the sheer amount of political parties he’s split from
He’s the living embodiment of “The first item on a left wing parties agenda is the split” cliche
Maybe we’d have an actual functioning left wing party alternative if it wasn’t for people like him
Would need a cool acronym… Irish National Left Alliance
#INLA
What could go wrong?
I actually don’t mind Paul Murphy. But to be clear, the vast majority of voters who want to see an end to the Civil War government don’t actually want far left policies, either, lol. I’m quite confident most would settle for competent governance without corruption and jobs for the boys.
But they all hate each other?
He’s not wrong….but the labour party here presents itself as left,while openly aspiring to,and proud of inflicting austrity and dole/international schemes on the poorest again
While FF and FG prepare to piss away neutrality and conscript people here to fight in never ending wars,which have nothing to do with us
Has this not been attempted multiple times already? People don’t want it.
Paul Murphy: We need to *join together* get rid of FF & FG. First item on the agenda – fuck Labour. Also fuck the Greens.
Hard to take him seriously (much and all as I agree with him and RBB on lots)
He laughably claims PBP do actually want to be in government. That’s such a joke.
Far Left can’t go 5 minutes without splitting.
It’s difficult to get idealogical purists to work together. At the first sign of compromise they’re throwing their toys out of the pram. We haven’t had a majority government elected in Ireland since 1977, compromise is baked into the system.
Good luck with that
Tomorrow’s headline.
Paul Murphy splits from self.
A United left alliance would be good….so long as pbp are let no where near it
As if this could ever happen
Socialist Workers party.
Socialist Party.
Militant Labour
Anti Austerity Alliance,
United Left
United Left Alliance
People before Profit,
People before Profit Anti Austerity Alliance,
Workers and Unemployed Action
Solidarity,
People-Before Profit Solidarity
Rise
People Before Profit Solidarity Rise.
Independents4Change
Right2Change
That’s the various political parties the hard left have had over the past 15 odd years. And by the Hard Left we aren’t talking about hundreds of politicians. We are talking: Joe Higgins, Ruth Coppinger, Clare Daly, Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett, Brid Smith, Mick Wallace, Gino Kelly, Seamus Healy and Mick Barry.
Ten TDs and fifteen political parties between them!
Most of those political parties were formed because they had a row and one or two of them stormed off and made their own party only to come back together into a new party with both party names combined a year or two later. And they are just the hard left ones that TDs in the Dail have moved between. I haven’t included the mild left of Sinn Fein, Labour, Social Democrats, Deomcratic Left, etc etc. Imagine what it is like if you widen it out to Councillors and unelected members.
It’s like watching toddlers in a crèche fighting.
United left alliance,
From the party who publicly gives out about other left parties not being left enough or being too left.
Yeah okay Paul
Labour jumping into bed with FG in 2011 probably made a “Left alliance” almost impossible, I think. That move basically fractured “moderate” left politics in Ireland to the point that 24 seats in Dáil Éireann are made up of Greens-Labour-Social Democrats, who don’t really differ on a huge amount of issue and would otherwise be natural allies.
It also probably led to SF’s rise as the “alternative” to FFG, so it’s hard to say if they’d have had half the success if things had been different.
Basically, what I’m trying to say is every time the left in Ireland, from moderate to hard, start to gain traction, somebody shoots themselves in the foot and sets the whole thing back a decade or so. So I don’t think we’ll ever get the left alliance people talk about.
Call it reverse snobbery if you like, but as an actual working class person from Tallaght, I actually can’t stand Paul Murphy… he has the principled surety of an upper middle class trustifarian, the type who can afford to give their time to various causes cos they know they have the parental cushion to fall back on. Someone who went to private school is never going to understand what it is like to live in a deprived area… to really k ow what poverty feels like. I myself never went hungry, but I do remember sharing lunches with kids in my class . Many of whoĺlp later died due to addiction. I have never heard him posit an actual constructive plan to really help bring up people’s standards of living… I have heard him, though, cristiscise many compromises that we have to make in order to provide jobs to mostly working class people… data centres, corporate tax, big pharma without having an alternative plan …. … there is no joined up thinking… he just bleats out statements every now and then to keep up his profile ….
the words ‘united left’ are an oximoron. Left wing movements have not been great historically at compromis and coalition building with their peers.
Has it occured to him that maybe his politics are just not all that popular? 😂
This bozo gets way too much airtime.
Also, why do we need another privately educated toff telling us povs how to rectify our interminable damnation? Just another state lackey IMO.
He could start by pledging to vote with Labour on all issues. Or maybe he means they unite with him, not he unites with them?
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A left alliance is unlikely, such a government would not last long past the first budget. The smarter lefty or far left politicians are pretty much webpage publicly funded grifters. They want to remain in opposition making soundbites and promises to appeal to their political base.
But they never want to be in government and a position where they would be expected to follow through on them.
There are so many egos on the left and to save face I could well imagine one group of them pulling down the government and walking away claiming that it is not left enough for them. A lot of what they propose is practically impossible” require that even bigger more expensive bureaucracy to implement.
Nobody wants that.
I am not defending the current wasteful government and outdated civil service model but it could be worse.
Brigid Purcell is immature toxic student politics nonsense incarnate
Well, let the voters decide. And then add up all the votes and see who is going to govern. Continually patronising people by telling them they voted the wrong way is counter productive.
There are more far left parties than far left politicians.
Paul Murphy – “Time is running out. The left needs to come together.”
Also Paul Murphy – ‘Fuck Labour and the Green Party’
The man is like ‘we need a left alliance’ and then bashes Labour for a paragraph. The Greens have got a huge amount done while in government because they went into power with parties that they didn’t agree with. What has PBP done in that time? Nothing. They rule out going into collation with FF/FG because of political purity as this is actually what the Hard Left is about. Student politics. You have to get along with people you don’t like in life and the same goes with politics. Otherwise build a party that will get a bigger vote than FF or FG and dictate the terms of forming a new government.
I consider myself left wing but I also want things to be achieved not slogans shouted through a megaphone. In truth that’s all Paul wants to do.
Fuck the labour party and the greens. They can stay in bed with FFG